Printable View
You can't just stop selling guns and all the ones already out there will just disappear. That’s bull pie!!! But... if you make guns illegal... then over time guns will be whittled out and rates of gun crime will fall...
It will take a long time, many years, but you have to start somewhere.
If you never try, you'll never succeed. Simple as that.
you're so wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveTwist [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Of course guns will gradually have to be confiscated and destroyed too. And yes it will take many years, decades, maybe even centuries but making guns illegal is the first step to that.
How else would you propose to go about reducing gun crime?
I guess better education might help too, but having stricter gun laws is definitely the way forward.
If I’m so wrong that having stricter gun control laws would reduce levels of gun crime … Why do you think levels of gun crime are so much lower in the UK, a country that has already enforced stricter gun control for years?
because this is the u.s., and that is the u.k. we love our guns here in america.
guns are not going to be mad illegal in america. no way, no how.
better education might help. i think better parenting is the way forward.
Why do you love guns so much in America? What’s the benefit of guns, other then for defence against other guns? Surely there are better mechanisms of defence, less lethal ways to defend yourself then shooting someone dead? Chloroform bombs maybe? ... mmm, maybe not. But maybe its time we invented stun guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yeah better education is definately the way forward too. That seems to be the way forward for pretty much everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
My state's constitution:
Political Powers
Section 2.
All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety and happiness. For the advancement of these ends they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think proper.
As a result:
Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
Our country was founded on distrust of the federal government.
Why do you think the United States had a civil war?
To free blacks?
HAHA!
Please...
LoL, guns confiscated and destroyed. What are Police going to carry? how is the military going to get arms? Sounds like havoc would get out when the only person in the world holding a gun is some unstable kid in school. Your logic on this is horrible Lovetwist. There is also large firearm corporations giving people jobs and such also like Smith&Wesson or whatever.
It all remains the same to me, guns are not dangerous...that is dependent on the individual holding it. How about trying to solve the problem why people are shooting each other and not stop the means that they are doing it with?
but people are going to be shooting each other no matter what so the smart thing is to keep yourself away from areas of possibility and try stay in safe areas, send your kids to safe places.....basically keep your ass out of black neighborhoods or hick infested scrap yards with supremacists ... when a horrible thing like Virginia tech happens well sorry but the only saying here is "shit happens" and move on.
Holly sh*t,
just as I gave up all hope of their being anyone sane on this forum.
Thank you OV.
P.S. Just because I am from South Africa doesn't make me Black or have a pet lion you bunch of superficial bitches...
Had to make that clear to the stereotypical assholes out there.
Look at the statistics for gun ownership in the U.S. About 50 million Americans own guns. I know that sounds like a lot, but look at the percentage. That's one sixth of our population. I hardly think 1/6 qualifies as being representative of the entire country's feelings toward firearms. I also think that that is a low enough percentage that were gun laws to be enacted, it wouldn't be too difficult to get people to cooperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
If you start slowly putting more and more restrictions on firearms, you could eventually remove them almost completely from the United States with little rebellion. It would simply take several decades of gradual changes.
And have Fras, have you read the second amendment? Well, the actual amendment states that we do have a right to bear arms, but only in the form of a well regulated militia. It doesn't say every joe-shmoe is allowed to go down to K-Mart and buy a rifle.
So you're philosophy is to just run away and not try to fix anything? Better to take the easy way out and never address the problem. Well I got news for you, at this rate most of America will become a ghetto that you want to run from. 'people are going to be shooting each other no matter what'? Come one. If they don't have guns, how're they going to shoot each other? With bows and arrows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And have you ever been outside the U.S.? Cause if you have, then you might have noticed that there are dozens of countries where the police don't carry firearms.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TDurden [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
maybe that's the amount of people who own registered, legal guns. i'm sure many many more americans own guns. also, if the amount of people who owned guns (legally) corresponded to the feelings of americans than we would've had more strict gun laws long ago.
Sorry TDurden;
"Look at the statistics for gun ownership in the U.S. About 50 million Americans own guns."
Just want to know if those statistics include illegally owned guns,etc.?
The thing about gun laws is that they only work on the Legal Abiding Citizens.
The "others" make themselves above the law & get away with murder...
Had to say it...
Sorry.
Actually I mentioned in my post that we have to find the reasons why people are doing the shooting and not just take their guns away. Would you have been happier if the kid just blew himself up with a bomb during an assembly taking even more then 32 people with him? The handgun glock did not walk into the school and shoot 32 people, the kid did. Funny thing is that you can buy a bow gun with point sharp tips for like 50 bucks at sporting goods stores...they will kill too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDurden [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Firstly both the police and the military would still be able to carry guns .. of course. It would be havoc like you say, if they didn't have guns. They need to have weapons to keep the order. Its just every other weirdo on the street that shouldn't be able to have such easy access to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Secondly, the whole point of the stricter gun controls would be to stop people like that high school kid from getting a gun. I'm not saying it will happen over night and all gun crime will be stopped as soon as stricter gun laws are introduced because that’s ludicrous. But over time, yes stricter gun laws can reduce levels of gun crime. Theres loads of evidence for this in many countries.
Guns aren’t dangerous!!! What the hell??? Sure it’s the person who’s holding it that the fires the shot but –Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Guns are weapons!! Gun are designed for killing!
Yeah I agree with you here. Even if stricter gun laws were introduced, (and this looks very doubtful due to public opinion on the matter and the fact that the right to carry firearms enshrined in the constitution), the best way to avoid getting shot is to avoid the problem areas. That’s probably the best advice for anyone wanting to avoid gun crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Unfortunately some don't have the luxury of avoiding it, but what the hey... no point in trying to change things. Everyone dies sometime. Just some people get unlucky and are born in a crappy neighbour hood or run into a crazy maniac with a gun. But that’s life ... "shit happens"
100% agree with you here. Just taking peoples guns away is not enough, especially since stricter gun laws won’t even have an impact for decades. What’s really important is better education about the dangerous of guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Been there done that. We’ve already gone over that argument, go back a few pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Number 1 – Guns are designed to make killing easier.
Number 2 – Do you think an untrained, screwed up kid could perpetrate a mass killing like the one seen in the Virginia incident with anything other than a gun?
Bombs take time and effort to make, and are illegal anyway. Bow guns are considerably more difficult to operate then a gun. With a gun you simply have to aim and fire. Guns can be loaded with many bullets for many rounds of shots and can be aimed at people much more accurately without training than a bow gun or nearly any other weapon you care to mention.
But, even if these other weapons could be used in such a fashion, that’s besides the point, because if they could be used as easily to kill people as guns, then they too should have stricter laws controlling their ownership.
So yes, better education is needed. Studies into why people go crazy and kill loads of people should b conducted, but stricter gun laws would be the best way to combat gun crime of all, maybe not today or tomorrow, but for a safer future we have to start now.
Otherwise you can just let the problem persist and people will go on killing because they’ll always be someone who goes crazy and kills a load of people ad they'll always be criminals out on the street that use guns to kill that person who was standing in their way after they robbed a shop and they'll always be gangsters that kill some guy who couldn’t come up with the money they owed them....
The future is bleak, the future is gun crime. :P
*sigh*
There is no hope for the future.
That & people that think it's so hard to make a bomb.
If you haven't used a gun before,or haven't taught anyone to.
Try it...
Their aim is atrocious for the first few weeks to a month, they close their eyes when they pull the trigger & they don't take recoil into effect.
Sometimes they even drop the damn thing.
Never mind forgetting the safety on or reloading incorrectly.
These guys that do the school shootings plan well ahead...
They train for years/months or are natural gun lovers.
It's also easier to hit a group of random people then a single person/target.
So as far as picking up a gun & shooting it goes,I don't believe anyone that says it's as easy as point & click.
This isn't Doom 3 or the internet people!
I'd also like to see how effective a pair of glock's are in comparison to a suicide bomber in Iraq.
If those guys can get hold of materials to make bomb(s) ( & they live in a desert waist land ),who is to say a citizen/student of a first world country ( like the USA ) can't get better materials & blow up the whole school.
Hell,my students physical science books explain in detail how to make a bomb from common household items in about an hour.
But wait,what am I saying.
Suicide bombers weren't made to kill hundreds of people at a single time & send out a message whilst utilizing cheap replaceable resources.
They were made to cuddle with...Like the Care Bears.
Guns were made to kill people instead.
& only guns...
It all makes so much more sense now.