Well she lives in capital city so it makes sense that she have issues. Shes not old 29 she is.
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Well she lives in capital city so it makes sense that she have issues. Shes not old 29 she is.
Hey. Im sorry it took me so long to get. Ack to you.
I am very impressed by how open you post this. Thank you for sharing
My annotations u find below.
In general there seems to be several different and independent issues with you and women.
1) the attitudes u have toward women (what you belief to be true about women in general)
2) the attitude u have towards yourself (what you belief to be true about yourself )
3) your missing skills regarding how to behave around women
The last is possibly a minor issue. Your sticky point is the so called "inner game"
There is a ton about this out there. Good literature.
If you are interested I would suggest Ross Jeffries and major mark Cunningham about inner game
Also hypnotica has some good stuff.
Best I have seen is the foundation of attraction video series by tan perrion on this
€€ what Potentials do you think you needed to unlock in order to be successful with women?Quote:
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What keeps you from unlocking those potentials now?
What do you want as you verbalize your goal towards women?
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Hey Lindsey. I am sorry I didn't mean that things are "over"
I just was really pleased to have spend time with you and I wanted you to honestly thank you for it.
I am not really "good" with communicating with women or my feelings.
I think you are anwonderful girl and I was silently hoping to maybe see where things lead with you too.
If I have made you think otherwise you can be sure that I did not mean it that way.
In fact I would never pass on a women with similar interests to me, who is honest and absolutely stunning like you.
So i would very like another go at spending some time with you in private.
Because I just honestly like you
A lot :-)
Well I seen guys who are not good looking with beautiful girls but to make girl stick around for longterm it takes something to compensate looks. I dont feel strong in other areas too.
Sure body is not everything and I dont care about my fat much but whatever helps, helps. Body is my least important problem in my head.
Well I met a good looking girl who dont like herself then I would like her less because thats the relationship frame she have put herself into, or lack of confidence.
If I met a girl who dont responds when I try to make moves then I would give up. Done this before when I stopped kissing girl after she wasnt interested. But still didnt dumped her.
If you ask about my beliefs towards sex and love then I think girls wants sex before love as urges comes first before real love. I primary look for love and relationships, but it seems like girls expect these things come out after sex. Sure there is some girls who can hold back from sex until love is developed but theres not many of them. I think I have met girls who see sex only as a dopamine rush to feed addiction to dopamine in brains. Really I have met girls who wanted sex from me and didnt cared how much I like them or could love them and that I wanted give my all attention and time to them. I been telling girls that I like them and once even used L word and once said i want her to be my GF. But never got positive answers to these things. Despite that they were ready for sex.
Yes I want to be intimate with beautiful girls and have been but i want sex to come after love and relationship as these two things are more important to me.
What I mean with "One sentence can end relationship or contact" is for example with this one girl when she said she have a headache after i offered to meet. And then I remembered that headache is number one reason for turning down sex so I said - That means there will be no sex- and she said she wont meet me because I dont respect her.
I dont act nice, Im just nice and when I take shit its not because I try to be nice but because I been taking shit from others all my life and at one point I can lose patience and give it back. Even nice guys have their limits.
With high values I mean when I have something better than girl, for example better looks or better car or better education then in her eyes I have higher value and that makes her more attracted to me.
I dont understand what you mean [MENTION=85121]Hooo![/MENTION] with new "possibilities" ?
I think potencials I need with girls are confidence, material things, independence, style.
Im working on these things but it takes time.
My goals towards girls is to be in control in relationship and during seduction process. I dont want to be dumped every time I try to enter relationship with a girl. I want to be with a girl or keep girl for as long as I want even if its years. I want equality and want girls to be interested in me as much as Im interested in them. My goal is to become more than just sex object or boring guy to girls.
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On my current matter- well that computer girl was yesterday and I felt the way about her about the same what you write [MENTION=85121]Hooo![/MENTION] But today I almost dont feel sorry for her. But Im still blocked on FB and dont want to stalk her on dating site since today I found a better girl on Tinder. She seems sane and we been chatting all day besides we both are in same town right now since her mum lives here and she used to live her too. Really cute girl with makeup on and my type of monster without it.
So yeah like eminem said - Bitch' is they come they go, saturday to friday monday, monday to sunday yo !
I haven't read every response in here, but. This is my take on things,Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmaster [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
You messed up. She was inviting you over to her work so she was comfortable with you, you should have just gone over there and chatted with her for a short amount of time. Then you could have just said something jokingly and with a big smile on your face, like, "Hey, it looks like work has been stressing you out pretty bad, we better ease up that stress. So when are we going out for drinks together?". Instead, you acted whiney and insisted that you guys either go on a formal date, or you don't see each other at all. You need to be more flexible. Don't even bring up the topic of dating, that just complicates things. Show through your actions/words that your intentions are to be her lover.
She blocked you likely because you either acted aggressive or like an asshole, or some other reason (these are what I am banking on since she called you an asshole), i dont really know. Getting blocked is the clearest sign that there is literally no chance left with that woman. That's the cue for, "put a fork in it" cause it's over.
Maybe some of its getting lost in your English, I'm assuming it's not your first language. But this is what I'm getting.
And. No, you weren't supposed to ask her for a relationship. You were supposed to follow the playbook and let things naturally evolve slowly overtime. Instead you did something to piss her off, and you also tried to force things, "what's the point in chatting if we aren't going to go on a date". I would have just said, "Hey, it's great to hear from you again, say we should continue this talk over drinks, when are you free to get together?" Instead you came off butthurt. If she would have denied my offer, I would have said, "Alright, well, get in contact with me if you change your mind! I would love to hear about what you've been up to. Cheers!" And the next time she reached out, I would assume she changed her mind.
Communication and how you carry yourself is everything. You can make the same point in multiple ways. Notice how with my response, I also made it so that I didn't want to exclusively get to know her only over the phone either. And still suggested a date.
I think you need communication practice. You say you have a lack of confidence, so regularly work out, engage in physical activities, after 1-2 months you will feel better and naturally exert more confidence. Practice talking with women, ALL women. Short women, tall women, overweight women, thin women, beautiful women, ugly women, old women, young women. And just get good at talking with them. Banter with them, joke with them. Example, I'm standing at a grocery store line and a women comes up next to me with a box of cereal for checkout, my comment? "Looks like it's your day to cook again?" It's fun to do it.
However, you need to reevaluate how you communicate, I know Hooo has already brought this up. I've read some of your responses on here, (and no, im not a dating god, and the decider of all things that are right and wrong). But some of your responses are unsettling to say the least. There's a few topics where you posted a picture of a "I miss you" note with semen on it. The context where you posted it is really out of place and unsettling to say the least. You posted it on topics where women have been heartbroken by their boyfriends/lovers. That's going to disturb the shit out of those women. I'm all about having a laugh, and sharing humor, but reevaluate things. If that picture is your sense of humor, and you need to share that picture, share it with your actual buddies and laugh about it with them. Not random women looking for relationship advice/emotional support.
Cheers bud. Keep on keeping on.
Thanks for response GLYC. You seem like a nice guy towards girls and you showed me few openings where I could have made some progress with previous girl. I really have all or nothing attitude with girls I dont like that much. Maybe because I had it all for few times with some girls and Im not setting for less. Perhaps easy girls ruined me cause I was much nicer guy 9 months ago, before meeting first girl. I have quite a lot of experience with talking with girls at their work and their attention and focus is nowhere near as it is on dates. When on a date it means girl have given you a real chance.
Anyway I dont drink so not inviding girls to drink especialy those who dont drink too, like for example computer girl.
But as lovemenot pointed out, when girl can meet only at her work it means she's broken, like burned from previous relationship and not ready for new one. It makes sense cause I had experience with two girls like that.
" Im on not a serial killer come have dinner with me." What else can I say?
Thanks for suggestion to work out. It helped me a lot with feeling better 2 years ago when it was new for me. I still work out at least once a week. Have dumbells at home and doing some core exercises too.
But you are right about talking with girls. I should start talk with them again since its been 3 years since I talked with multiple random girls everyday. Now have forgoten that confidence and became rusty.
Jeez condoms are so cheap on supermarkets these days. I see that pack of 3 is less than 1$ and pack of 12 Durex Feather light was 3$. So really big discounts on summer on brand condoms. I should stack up despite that still havent used previous two packs that I bought last year and this year. Hopefully things with girls will go weel and I will have chance to put a dent into my condom pile.
Sure on aliexpress they cost like 7 cents per piece but those are Chinese condoms so no thanks lol. I prefer ultra thin ones from a good brand.
So the girl Im chatting with on FB - the girl from Tinder with who I arranged to meet 9 days later for sub board ride down the river - She said its been a long time for her since she chatted with such a nice person. We been talking about relationships and she told me about her 4 year relationship that ended year ago and I told her what I been up to last 5 years and told her about forum too but didnt mention forum name since she could easy find me here since Im only one active Latvian.
Do you have to do the important stuff first?
Do you enjoy sex? What is true (for you) about sex? What is true for you about ****ing with women ?
In which circumstances would you as a full grown man take shit from anyone?
In which circumstances would you as a man give shit to anyone (and particularly any woman) for any reason?
You have the dhv (display of high value) theory wrong. You don't need social game. Sure it helps if u got a million bucks. But u don't need them.
Forget about the values thing. I personally find it a bad model.
Do you have friends who are as "boring" as you are?
What or who is the opposite of boring?
What exactly do you mean when you say you are uninteresting or boring?
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On your current problem: tell her (find a way) exactly what I wrote
Yes with girls I usually do important stuff first. Because I dont know what else to do.
Dont know if I enjoy sex cause never had it but I enjoy kissing and being close. When it comes to sex then going for it dont feels so nice as just kissing on a lips and touching above waist. I dont enjoy when girls touch my D because it does nothing for me and feels weird sometimes, besides I dont wanna cum. I been touching girls V and kinda got used to it but never went down on girl, cause never felt so hungry to eat them out lol. So far know only bad smell from V lol.
What is true for me about ****ing with women? Well I think its just a basic instict and most guys dont control themselves once they have a chance to have sex with girl. I kinda can think with my big head - yeah still have blood enough for big head even when small head is full with blood. Thats why I can easy stop and hold back. Think most guys have enough blood only for small head. I dont become animal I still think clearly theres no controling desire for me to go for release. - Even if I havent orgasmed for months. And this is not just because my body is in sleep mode, even after few times after making out with girl and being fully awake and having hours of erection. i really dont want to just fck any girl. Want love to come first and then have something meaningful and beautiful. Something good to remember without regrets. Orgasm is temporary. Love lasts ethernity. I get turned on more by love than lust.
I would take shit if my boss were angry because I dont want to lose job. Also I would take shit from girls if I see that not taking it dont makes anything better but just worse.
I would give shit to girl if my patience is full or I have lost respect for a girl, or after being hurt by something girl does or says.
Think all my friends are boring. At least real life friends. Mostly because they talk about boring things and dont know anything about girls. To be honest I think my friends are more boring than I am. Its just they are loyal so that makes them my friends.
Opposite of boring is someone with great personality. I dont care if person is crazy cause its better to be crazy than be boring. In a good way of course.
I mean Im boring because socially I been living alone for years without having much company or anyone to talk to. So not very socially developed, still need to work on it. Also Im funny when I dont try to be fun and not funny when I try to be funny.
If you mean computer girl then I see better now that I dodged a bulled when she stopped contact cause she wasnt ready for dating anyway as some other members pointed out. Really have lost interest and moved on already. Have a date after 9 days with another girl Im chatting with right now.
Now when reading this I understand you was right about everything Jester. About dating first before relationship and not jumping into relationship with wrong partner. Also about learning how to be happy without a relationship.Quote:
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You was right about having hope too. Back then I had a faith that I didnt put into action yet. So hope was more theoretical. But now I see that things I didnt believed back then like for example dating sites, actually work and have bring many girls to me. I was so damn lucky and still are. Its like heaven have a plan for me.
I have grown a lot during last half a year. Now Im more stable independed and happy on my own. Dont need a relationship anymore to stay away from my demons. Theres so many girls out there just waiting to be spoken to. Its not the guys who have approach aniexty. Its girls who cant start to talk first and expect guys to approach them. If things go as planed then by the end of the summer I will be machine - will be able even to talk with stranger girls.
I am very happy to hear that you are doing much better. I hope very soon you will be able to be one of our success stories on this site. :) Hopefully when that happens, you will still come by. That will give you a whole new perspective to be able to help offer even more advice to others.
Good luck, friend!
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So just came back from a date.
So we met on a middle of the bridge. I saw this pretty young thing - she was on a phone. I came close and asked : Ance?(her name) She said Hi and I said Hi. I said this is for you. And gave her a huge red rose. Then we talked as we went to a river to ride a sub boards. So we rided those boards for like hour across the river around the island while talking sometimes. Then went home and talked even more. We came to the street live and then I said - Dinga ding, its time to suck my cock ! Ha has just kidding I didnt said that but she said good luck and I said you too and we parted forever until I will call her again.
U didn't answer my last post
Yes Hooo! Its in my mind all the time. Its about time I find time for my own topic rather than help all the others on forum.Quote:
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I ussualy dont do important stuff first. Mostly just doing it last. For example when I have to go to work I sit at PC till last minute and then only starting getting ready for work. Not always but often. About housework I ussualy dont do it at all, because I dont get paid for it.Quote:
€ I don't mean just girls. Do you find that you always have to do the important stuff first?
Sometimes I find that I just need to relax, play a game or read a bit before I can go and do the housework.
I wonder if you know what I mean?
I can imagine I could enjoy new things. Im pretty sure I would enjoy sex and get addicted to it. What holds me back is that I dont want it to be just naked pleasure for few minutes. Want something meaningful something that I wont regret for rest of my life. Theres been nice girls that I have met but in the end no one of them was nice. So basicaly I dont want to have just one night stand or sex to be the last date. Want sex to be start of something new in a relationship.Quote:
€so can you imagine that you can enjoy something that you have never tried before? I find that i thought that pizza with sheeps cheese pineapple and tuna was really strange. And since I have tried it I find it immensely and strangely satisfying. Can you imagine making an experience like that in your life?
I can imagine that. In fact had some nice and sweet second dates with girls where we been close and doing a lot of things without sex. The feeling was so nice and binding that even next day we both felt unusually good. But yeah it didnt last for long and still havent been past 4th date with any girl. Thats what I think about sex too - maybe it can keep people together for a little longer while but not prevent relationship from falling apart and breakup.Quote:
€€Can you imagine sharing a meaningful and beautiful memory - something to remember- with a beautiful woman whom you don't know very well yet? Isn't that what love is made out of, sharing loving and beautiful time together?
Think that would make me stay in the job. Since Im ussed that nobody likes me at work and I dont try to like people or be likeable too.Quote:
That's what I mean: if you take shit from your boss once- it's ok. If you let him treat you like shit, will that make you stay in the job?
If you take shit from a woman you don't know yet , how do you expect she will continue treating you?
And there is two ways dealing with shit: one is to throw it back (with various degrees of force). The other is politely refusing to take any and maybe suggesting that they can keep it for themselves.
A third way is to just take it and say thank you.
And all of them work in some situations. However most of the time 2 of those ways don't work.
If I take shit from a girl who i dont know yet then I expect her to treat me nice since Im being better to her than she is being to me.
Well introverts like extroverted people. I think yeah - not being introverted or boring do means you have a better character.Quote:
€ so you think every extrovert has a great personality? Or that not being introverted or boring somehow means you have a better character?
Of course I dont want to be living alone. Think everyone would like a company, including myself too. Dont want to be exactly crazy but want to be at least interesting.Quote:
€ what do you want? You want to not be living alone and be crazy and have company?
And you think introverts are uninteresting?Quote:
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Well I met some of those. And oh boy get them talking about robotics or mice or whatever and you can relax and listen to them going on for hours.
Watch the "ted talk: the power of introverts" please.
Thanks Ho o o o ! Will look that up.
Its funny that my topic have already 9k views. While at the same time most topics dont even exceed 100 views.
So this girl Im chatting with the one I been on a first date, lets call her fourth girl cause shes 4.th girl I been on date in last milion years. So fourth girl messaged me in the moorning wishing me good day. I responded few minutes later saying "thanks" and "you too". Now its been 9 hours and messenger shows that she havent even viewed my message, despite that shes active on messenger almost every hour. Not the first day similar situation happens with this girl. Also I wonder with who she chats with if she dont even view my messages, not talking even about responding or chatting. So yesterday we chatted a lot, not a lot maybe 20 messages but for us it was a lot since this girl responds when she responds. Also she said that she ussualy responds more but this summer beeen busy to her cause all her girl friends are getting married and she helps organise stuff. Still how can someone be so super bussy? I see her being busy as opportunity for me to become independed from a girl and time to do my own thing, dont get lost in relationship. But again I want to message her at least every other day and thats what Im trying to do - message her every second day but even then she takes hours or day or night to respond to some messages. Also I want her call every second day to talk few minutes cause talking is better than writting and less time is waisted this way. besides she gave me her phone number and I called only once and other time she didnt pick up but called back but didnt had time to talk. So yeah this all makes me really doubt if she likes me or sees me as a serious guy for her.Have this idea that shes just being nice and dont want to hurt my feelings so stringing me along.
In our first date she said that she will have only time to meet next month. So after 5 days it is next month and I been talking about going swimming together and she agreed but we didnt set up a specific date despite that I mentioned one day when weather will be super hot and sunny. Sure she have work and I cant ask her to dump work and run to meet me cause she lives in other city and it would take her 1-2 hours to come here. I think she lives alone but I havent asked her and not really interested too to go to her place since Im fed up with going to girls places and making out. Just want to enjoy summer with this girl - thats my ultimate goal and plans for this girl. Just fun in the sun.
Also this been bothering me - how to touch a girl without her freaking out? I want to kiss her when we will be swimming but dont want to come across as pushy or creepy when touching out of blue. I been kissing girls in their rooms but this time it would be more or less public place just not much people there - perhaps just us two as swimming place is not busy. Think should say at least a compliment before or be playful or flirt. But yeah this question been bothering me for few days already. I never touched this girl before as touching in first date is not my style besides didnt knew her so well as we been messaging only a little. But she touched my hand in first date while talking and I was cool with it.
Update: I called her, she didnt pick up and rejected call. Then after hour messaged me saying sorry for not picking up and wished me goodnite.
What do you think guys?
I think you should stay with me here
How you wish Hooo!
I been remembering first girl lately. Once even I missed her so bad that it hurt - few days ago. Really all these girls dont compare to her cause she was better than any girl I met in terms of chat, looks, personality, being good to me. Could name any situation with other girls where first girl was better. I was so low when I met her and she got me so high. I was like on 100 day no PMO streak and really changed for better.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=45NqiHdpVFo
Now when fourth girl died its hard to believe that everything ended so easy. It seemed like date was good. I dont know what she expected but I was at my best - it was best first date for me. Girl wasnt so great as first girl but I was pretty confident this time. So its not my fault that it wasnt enough cause I was better than old me.
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Few days I ago I saw this hot chick at supermarket. Then the same night almost had a wet dream.
So now cant even look at sexy girl anymore.
There was a lot about the amazingly sexy girl I saw that day. She had a confident straight posture. Her body was perfect it radiated status. "A well built physique is a status symbol. It reflects you worked hard for it, no money can buy it. You cannot borrow it, you cannot inherit it, you cannot steal it. You cannot hold onto it without constant work. It shows discipline, it shows self respect, it shows patience, work ethic and passion."
Not just she had big breasts but also juicy butt and legs. All perfectly tanned.
Wish I had a courage to talk to her. next time I see girl like this I should talk to her.
When I was working as a security guard I saw this amazing ass on a girl It was real bubble butt inside jean shorts. I was thinking- " If I knew before that things like this exist I would have lived my life diferently."
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Update : And yeah I should update on fourth girl what happened to her. So I wrote her 2 days ago and only today she read my meesage on FB despite that shes active on FB every 1-2 hours. So not gona message her anymore besides she still have to reply my message from 2 days ago. Anyway if she lost interest why did she was so fake and saying all those nice words like if she actually liked me. Think I should stop being so nice to girls like that. Her texts was nice but her respond rate was showing that she dont care at all.
I read a good quote today -" Never trust a girl who is hidding her farts, you dont know what else she is hidding from you." Think from now on I will trust only girls who farts.
Is there a special reason for you not to answer my questions anymore?
Sorry [MENTION=85121]Hooo![/MENTION] Forgot to answer, been so busy with nofap forum lately. Really doing a lot of things at once. Thinking about girls a lot too lately. Jeez thinking about girls again, I should think about Jesus.
I think extroverts are more interesting. I watched that TED talk about introverts and it was interesting. I think boring thing about introverts, especially my introvert friend and Jester is that you bring one thing up and they talk about it so much and start to filozophy about it. With extroverts I remember this one guy from work who talked about his relationships, sex life and sluts he fcked. Really crazy guy but he was interesting.
Ty for spam in my topic.
I feel like I have lost patience with girls. Yesterday got a tinder match with one 29 year old girl who looked 40. Anyway we chatted a bit on tinder and then I told her to swap with FB cause I want to know her better. She hesitated and I said I could see more of her pictures and she could see my newest pics. Then she said If I wanted I could find her on FB cause all info was on tinder. That pissed me off cause on tinder was only her first name and her school she went to. Besidea her first name was popular. I looked up on FB and understood theres no use cause she was just not in search results. Im used that girls tell me their FB immediatly on request and those who dont are ussualy not ready to date. So I told her - Im not gona fck around, if you are not ready then not. We could have met tonight but you slowed down so now not in the mood anymore.
Think I did a right thing. After all she was not attractive enough to be worth going thru hassle. She gave me huge red flag with not giving FB. Why do I write about this, why one girl should even matter? Because theres no much girls from my town on dating sites, besides, my attitude towards girls have changed a lot and that as it seems limits my success with girls. Just half year ago I would wait for a girl for weeks until she would be ready to meet me. Now all this patience have been used I guess. Really want to become nice, naive guy I was once but it seems like I have become more of asshole first girl been talking about - guys who are pushing for sex or are like kings on a date. Now I dont push for sex but I push for dates and I have lost shyness on dates, more confident or over confident?
What you think guys? Interesting would be to see what girls think about this [MENTION=77017]lovebroken[/MENTION] [MENTION=78034]breathe123[/MENTION] [MENTION=85848]WiltedRose[/MENTION] [MENTION=7184]Gigabitch[/MENTION]
Been thinking about it and maybe my patience are not so low but just girl wasnt worth to go thru hassle.
I think your frustration is hindering your affection, patience and confidence, being nice must come naturally but things like anger, frustration etc really tear you at times I really don't know what to suggest but don't give up! Like my best friend said my future someone may be just separating from his wife etc haha all you need is one girl that one girl who instantly clicks with you, so be yourself on dates please stop overthinking I wouldn't just like anyone on my Facebook looking at my pics :s I'd have to know they were geniune first (not saying you aren't of course but you really don't know who you are talking to! I have a story about that too!) just keep swimming dude there is someone out there looking for someone just like you!!
Thanks for input Rose. Your name reminds me that girl on Titanic. I should draw you like one of my French girls.
Whats your story?
Perhaps your future husband will be ready to leave his wife for you.
I think my future girlfriend are getting banged in all holes now or opposite - praying for God in monastery(praying for more dick). Who knows.
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So today was shopping in store where girl works who blocked me on FB after my work buddy wrote to her - I will fck you - while using my phone. So couldnt even look girl in the eyes so went to other till where was longer line despite that at girls till was no one. And to think few years back I used to go to girls till, just because she looks interesting.
Hahaha you can draw me if you like but I will be fully clothed :p
And I meant metaphorically speaking you wally people are becoming single all the time and we should be ready for when our paths cross. And there are 6 billion ppl in this world I certainly don't need someone else's man :p
Plus I've decided to see how it goes with this new guy I think I like him a lot!!!
Im sure Jester [MENTION=71386]TheEvilJester[/MENTION] would like to draw you if you were fully clothed like Deathpool https://i.imgflip.com/145k32.jpg
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Good luck with your new guy. Bet he likes you too.
I can't cite properly on the phone. But you didn't answer the important questions by far
I think you found his slutty success with women "interesting "
Think I answered all your questions now.Quote:
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I feel like girls want guys who can bring the fire to them - sex. And being in a relationship with girl is a much easier after sex because some or a lot of girls want relationship because theres regular sex in it. Its like getting product is much easier if you pay first rather than if you pay after recieving it. So getting relationship is much easier after sex than before it.
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