The worst school shooting yet leaving at least 31 dead and 10 injured
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The worst school shooting yet leaving at least 31 dead and 10 injured
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6560685.stm[/url]
Looks like we're gonna have that gun control discussion again.
people are losing their minds.
This really hits home for me. I was on the fence between liberal arts and engineering. I very nearly went to Virginia Tech. In fact, not only did my grandparents attend Virginia Tech, but they still live in Blacksburg.
I'm not a religious man, but if there is a God, and if there is a Hell, I hope it's every bit as horrible as the Bible depicts and then some, and I hope that son of a bitch is screaming his lungs out right this minute and will continue to do so for all of eternity.
Such a devastating and senseless crime, and yes, I wish there were better gun control laws (whether or not this sorry excuse for a person had them legally).
All I can think about everytime this happens is that there's some other messed up kid or person thats watching this that is getting ideas.
And the cycle continues.
Screw the goddamn right to bear arms.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
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No what, Fras? You don't agree w/my comment about the right to bear arms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And then you watch videos like the one with the two kids shooting the iPod in the other forum there, and you still think everyone should be allowed to own a weapon? There are bored, stupid, dumbass, backwards hick people out there with a closet full of guns they're allowed to have 'just because'....that scares the crap out of me. Why doesn't that scare you?
Because if I wanted to, I could assemble my own closet full of guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
i heard about this at work.
every time i hear about something like this, people blame guns. guns don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people. the gun is just the object used to kill someone.
if it wasn't a gun, it could've been a bomb, knife, a rock, anything that can be used to harm someone.
i own several guns. i own a ]rifle[ as well as a p230 (which is a hand gun) and i don't think about killing people. guns are not easy to purchase. you have to have a carrier's license to own a hand gun legally (and in a lot of places, hand guns are illegal)
ever notice how most of these killings aren't "dumbass backwards hick people", these are people who gain access guns illegally/that they don't own.
I wonder what the media will lay the blame on this time. Video games? Comic books? Dungeons & Dragons? Maybe he had an iPod and some of the songs contained racy lyrics.
If it had been a knife he might have killed one or two, but he certainly wouldn't have killed 30+. And maybe, just maybe someone would have gotten the knife away from him and beat his sorry ass to death.
How exactly would you assemble a closet-full of guns, Fras? Guns capable of rapidly firing multiple rounds, mind you. Yeah, maybe you could rig some kind of pipe-gun, and maybe it'd actually work and you'd get off a shot or two, but how could you build something that would come close to a 9mm automatic?
i'm not sure how these things can cause violence. i grew up with gory violent videogames, reading porn and comics, AND i own the limited edition Dungeons and Dragons movie. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
well yea, but a bomb could kill 30+ if not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
and you really don't have the right to ask this question, because you still have to tell me how to make a green laser. oh and it has to be hand-held :evil:
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Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
No shit people kill people. But why give them a better method to do it with?
PS A few of these killings have been by kids who steal their parents legal weapons (conveniently loaded!) stored in unlocked cabinets.
I stand by my conviction that people who own guns are paranoid hicks. There is no reason to own one unless you hunt. Period.
You're right. A bomb could wreck devastation.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster[/url]
And a college student might have the know-how to make a serious bomb. Okay, I give you that. But making a bomb and planting it requires forethought, planning, and time. Most killings with firearms are emotional, spur of the moment things.
what about law enforcement, military, and all that other shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
not only do i hunt, but i target practice. shooting a gun is actually fun and target shooting is a recreational activity that many people enjoy. you know what else is fun? airsoft and paintball.
what if a burgler/murderer/whatever breaks into your house? suppose this person is armed? this is another reason to own a gun.
yea... these spray-bullets-everywhere-and-take-everyone-to-hell-with-you shootings are pretty spur of the moment, while bombs take a lot of time, but believe it or not, there are people like me that aren't insane and own guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
once again, these people have access to a gun that is not their own/is illegal.
if everyone owned a gun, do you think there would be shootings everywhere, or everyone would be afraid to shoot?
what if a bullet costed $5000?
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Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I agree with you. The right to bear arms is contingent upon belonging to a militia (which would be the equivelent of the military nowadays). Screw this so-called "right".
Are you suggesting you agree with everything the military does?Quote:
Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Do they completely reflect everything you believe in?
****. No.
Time and time again, history has proven that the government will abuse it's power when given the opportunity. Who is the gov't run by? People, people love power, people will abuse it in a second so long as they can come up with justification for it. The military protects itself first, the government second, and the people last.
That's just how it is.
I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing with you guys, as it's fortunate things are more in my favor than they are in yours. So lemme buy myself a gun so I can fend you whackjobs off when you try to take it away with your billy clubs.
And Gribble- You're a smartass.
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
you only want a 22 right? you should get something a little more powerful.
.22's are cheaper, better for ****in' around with.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Maybe later I'll buy somethin' with more kick.
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I'd invest in a G3A3. I held this baby at a gun show. It was way more balanced (for me) than the AK-47. At least a 1,000 dollars though. Takes. 7.62 which is definitely more expensive.
try a legal m14 (legal m14s have the switch to fully auto removed) the one i have was given to me by a gift of someone who was in vietnam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
the g3a3 is pretty nice. don't settle on one gun until you've tried many different makes. have you tried any shotguns?
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Yeah, I've fired shotguns. I just prefer the precision and range of a rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm turning 21 soon though, I was thinking about maybe grabbin' a handgun too.
I love the police reaction, "DUH DUH DUH DUH I THINK I WILL JUST STAND HERE BEHIND A TREE WITH MY ASSAULT RIFLE AND THINK ABOUT DONUTS."
I'm with Gribble, Blue and Vash on this one. We're a first world nation and we aren't going to be held hostage by our government. We don't need firearms, they never result in a happy ending and they allow for tragedies like this to happen. Look at Japan and Europe. They don't allow civilian owned firearms and they're doing just fine.
Oh, and don't turn this thread into a place to brag about the instruments that caused this horrific incident.
it doesn't matter what kind of gun laws we have. crazy people will always get them if they really wanted. i don't like gun laws. sometimes the law just can't fix things.
Yeah, please make a separate thread to discuss guns. I own them myself, despite my stance on this, and I wouldn't mind talking about them, just not here.
Even if you had cause to take up arms against a rogue government, guess what, you wouldn't stand a chance against a modern military. Read up on the Ruby Ridge shootout and you'll get a taste of what happens when the government goes apeshit and civilians try to stand up against it. It doesn't end pretty.
I don't know if it's gun laws or what, but I do know that the US has something like 5 times as many crimes per capita as the UK. Maybe we ought to, I dunno, look into that, figure out what it is they're doing right, maybe make a few changes. But what do I know, I'm just some apathetic schmuck with an overactive libido.
Thats a really stupid comment. Guns don't die, people die. And there's no way in ****ing hell a guy can run down a campus with a knife and kill 32 people with it. Have you ever heard of a high school knifing where a kid in Europe stabs 15 classmates to death? Neither have I, because thats a stupid ****ing defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
If you want to defend weapon rights, make sure you never make the following retarded two arguments, ever:
1) People kill people.
2) They'd've used X instead, where X is not a gun.
There are intelligent, logical ways of defending gunrights that aren't trite little sayings for five-year olds. When you figure some of those out, then post.
Would you take your closet full of guns to school with you every day in case a psycho wants to kill you? Is the solution to gun violence that everyone walks around with a gun? Cause if it is, it seems really ****ing stupid to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yes, always blame the terrorists, always blame the shooters. But do you actually think what MAKES them do this? Todays sick society, man. Gun control doesn't solve the problem, people will still feel the same way.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
But I'd rather have the option to take up arms, than not to.
"First world nation", don't mean shit.
If my government can have guns, than so should I.
I'm gonna open up a thread on gun control, crime, etc. There are things I'd like to say, but I just don't feel right expressing them in a thread devoted to yesterday's tragedy.
Yeah, I just realized my childhood best friend goes to V-tech.
Somehow I wasn't making the connection between him and his school.
He's the first person I thought of, yet I didn't think to call him.
Just gave him and his parent's house a call.
Haven't heard back from them yet.
EDIT: I just heard from a friend that he's fine. He has classes in the building where some of the shooting went on, which is the only thing that had me worried.
no. you missed my point completely. i'm not trying to start arguments, either, and to be brief, it's really nice of you to stoop down to the kindergarten level and call names.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVPlaya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
i don't need to defend gun control, either. i already have it, and not only that, but gun control will continue to exist where i live.
instead of bashing me, read what i said and actually think about it.
i'm glad to hear your friend is alright. luckily, i don't have any friends in virginia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
MVPlaya's in the house.
Actually talked to him on the phone just now.
He's been gettin' an overwhelming response since the shooting, getting calls and messages from people he says he doesn't even know, so he was happy to hear from somebody he actually did know.
He has class in that engineering building, but hadn't gone to class yet when it happened. He says all his immediate friends are okay, but he doesn't know about acquaintances. They're still waiting on the list of names.
does he go to that university???
edit: well i'm glad he's okay!
It is a vicious cycle for sure. People have power, so people will abuse power. How do you stop a person with power? You have to be able to overthrow his power with another power. So no matter what we do we will need power to protect ourselves.
This is why guns are a "right".