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Someone said to me, once, that the reason why the drinking age is 21, is to prevent alcohol-induced car accidents. What's your opinion?
Read that article. By the time they pass it, in my state, if it passes, I will probably be 21 anyway. Country full of greedy hypocrites, y'know.
I've been arguing the exact same thing. If a man is old enough to be shipped off to some shithole of a country to die for another man he's sure as **** old enough to drink a beer.
And if a man is able to drive a car, he should know when NOT to drive a car. It's just like blaming weapons for murder, instead of bad decision making.
I think it's only a matter of time before government decides how ineffective their laws have become. Drinking age doesn't do much. Illegal weaponry? HA, well my friend Al sure gets a kick out of that one.
Hmm.., this reminds me of changing the voting age from 21 to 18 during the Vietnam era.., "boys out there old enough to get killed by bombs.., see their friends gutted and die in their arms.., serve their country and ready to give up their lives.., old enough to shoot a gun.., and these are the same boys we think aren't old enough to vote?"Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I think drinking is a step down from voting.., 18 is reasonable..
Best,
GrkScorp
Sending a man into war before the age 21 is wrong thing. Have you ever heard about the film "Generation Kill"? Even reading some posts in this forum posted by certain members is a proof that some people don't deserve guns. You know, some Estonians are in Iraq too, therefore I have heard stories of Americas kids stupidity, like playing football in the orange zone without helmets and everything until the fire came. Guess who did they blame?
America is also one of the few places where driving is permitted to 16 year old kids... Now that can be argued whether it is stupid or not, but young kids often like to test their limits, see if they are man enough. But then again, being able to drive a car is a useful thing.
America is very weird.
I think it's stupid to give a kid a driver's license at 16, too (which is when it's legal in Canada). However, our legal drinking ages range between 18 and 19 from province to province. I don't understand the concept of a legal drinking age of 21, yet being allowed to drive, vote, go to war, and own a gun before that age. Just stupid. Most people have had a drink before 21 anyways. I know I sure as hell had one before our legal age of 18. We get a lot of young Americans that just come up to Canada to drink, anyways......so what is the point of this law? I think it should just be changed already.
We get our driver licenses at 14 here.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Oh, now that's just ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I got my driver license at 16. I lost my virginity in the same year. Tell ya somethin'? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Speak of the devil, something needs to be done about all these young kids fcuking. But not really.
WHAT THE ****??? 14 year olds haven't even braken the voice yet, never mentioning the level of reasonable and adequate thinking...Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Oh, and virginity has nothing to do with driving.
Btw, you do know how to drive manual, right?
Is there an age limit for final expert exams also, or is it just that you have to do the expert test after driving a year under the kiddie sign?
The real reason they let kiddies go to Iraq is that they need soldiers... Its the final time when people are easily influenced. Why do you think they did the game Americas Army?
The ****ed up thing, is that, the first time I drove an automobile, was when I was two.Quote:
Originally Posted by boobaa [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
when you really think about it, people will drink regardless of their age. how many of you started drinking before you were 21??
i know i was surrounded by liquor before exiting high school.
raverboy
Drinking was something my parents and family expected of me to some extent. I got rum for Christmas when I was a freshman in high school from them, Bacardi Superior 80 proof. I also got a gun that same year. It is kind of from my dads side of the family where that is expected of the boys
i think the first beer that i touched was the bottle that my father told me to get him. i can't wait to have a server...err i mean children.
raverboy
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Originally Posted by Illusional [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Exactly. If the age is lowered, the real drinking age is lowered also. And then there would be all kinds of stupid kids drinking.
Shure I had beer wayyyyy before the legal age, but that doesn't justify anything. The thing that bothers me, is that fathers from your culture teach boys how to drink and be a rough man, but never teach how to think.
I didn't start drinking until I graduated from high school. My father was an alcoholic, and I am a crack baby. I've always feared it, up until that point. It's something about the way the shards of broken bottle glass dance around your peripherals as your father screams in a profane manner about the addictive chemicals that your mother just spilled all over the kitchen floor, when your four. Just something.
I am better than him.
Really though, the drinking age doesn't affect minors from getting alcohol. Just how making marijuana illegal doesn't stop anyone from getting that. So who cares
haha my culture?? so now you're stereotyping me because i love to drink? typical ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by boobaa [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
raverboy
I guess I will have to be the only one who has no problem with the drinking age being 21. Do some people drink before that? Of course. Doesn't matter what the legal age is - there will always be someone younger who wants to break the rules.
However I have a big problem with 18 year old kids being allowed to sign up for the military, and I don't think anyone under 18 ought to be driving (frankly, kids are bad drivers).
What the ****, Boobaa? You're Estonian, right? Your culture revolves around drinking massive amounts of alcohol.
kids are bad at driving, but so are the very old people. since they are retired, they can catch the bus.. they have all the time in the world.
raverboy
lmao. Our parents never teach us how to think? My parents taught me the importance of thinking quite well, my mom being a math major and working as an engineer and my dad being an electrical engineer. In fact, engineering is one of Americas greatest strengths, maybe its greatest. NASA, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, etc, all being fine examples. I would love to work for any such company, but degrees in things like physics engineering are needed more in those areas than biochemistryQuote:
Originally Posted by boobaa [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Booba has a lot of very odd ideas about Americans and our culture.
Gribble has very odd ideas about Estonians and our culture. How much do you know about our culture? Is our culture in the masses, like yours? Really? What language do we speak? How many times have your culture made a fool out of themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Estonians don't drink massive amounts of alcohol, not at all. This maybe in poorer regions of Russia, but not here in Estonia, which is the opposite. There has always been a conflict between Russians and Estonians.
And maths, sciences, wtf, these are more like skills. Thinking revolves more about how objectively you are able to see whats around you.
But we can leave this talk, basically to sum my ideas up, I agree with vashti.
they were never effective in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It should be switched. Kids should be able to drink younger and not allowed to get a driver's license until they're 21.
I agree with Giga. That way the fascination with drinking your ass off has worn off a little.
Just a little, but still.
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According to pretty much everything I can find, Estonia consumes more alcohol than pretty much any other place near it.
Furthermore, I know many Estonian Americans. With few exceptions they drink quite a bit of beer. They speak Estonian. Which sounds like... nothing else I've ever heard.
And apparently some of them are arrogant fuc ktards such as yourself who like to jump on the hate bandwagon. So kurat to you.
Most of the people drinking themselves to death are russians. North-east, that is where I spent most of my summers. Completely russian area, no jobs at all, people stealing, hopeless.
Quite a bit of beer huh? Of course, beer is good. Are they underage? You know, beer is very respected drink in Europe, and Checzhs do drink more of it, which is not a shame at all. If you consider quite a bit of beer a massive amount of alcohol, then think again. There are a lot, lot, lot worse scenarios. There was a time where half of the Americans did crack, well, we don't have that.
As I said, it is more about thinking, the attitude. The reason why many of people are being arrogant to americans, is because you are quite blind eyed and therefore hopelessly arrogant by yourselves. You were always thinking of you as the winning side and therefore cannot realize the causes of many many things.
You grow up with your flat screens and GTA games, go into a war with your high tech and don't even realize you have just killed a person who also has his own priorities and understanings, someone to love, maybe even a family. think its all game and having fun, playing soccer in the orange zone and then blaming it on the enemy 'why didn't anyone tell that there is going to be a shooting' while losing half of your crew...
For me, you are like some moslem country, where most of the population is religious nutcases, or just spoiled since childhood. You being that is probably the only reason why i am here -- to reach understandment from both sides.
Blah, blah, blah Americans are violent, blah-di-freakin-da. Estonia's got one of the highest murder rates in all of Europe. But it's those pesky Russkies again, huh?
See, there is your problem. You only see the result, but lack ability to see cause, and cause of cause. Analyze. I didn't actually speak about violence.
But never mind, you win, be happy. I am out.
Nah. What you're doing is judging an entire enormous melting pot of a country. You're assuming we're all a bunch of callous, insensitive twats who wear sleeveless camo-vests and support war. I'm going to use your same logic and assume that Estonians are all a bunch of violent alcoholics. That's what the news tells me. That's what the statistics say. Look at your people, moving historical statues around and inciting riots. Bunch of alchies.
Buh-bye.
oh my god, i have found a new god... dammit booaa, you are me new hero.
but in all seriousness, shit i'm going from being a small peckered, alcohol loving, big shit talking, period blood eating pussy lover, oh and there was something about war and video games and changing my life and moving to estrogen land.
you say all we as americans do is point fingers... so i'm going to point my finger. like gerbil said, you judge as a whole. sure i love my liquor and i would give it to my son if i had one, but so what? i'm sure that you're not an angel by any standards and i'm not god believer so we can get past that matter.
my point is, you said that we don't analyze anything, yet you fail to understand our culture. so you might not like to watch blood and violence, or you hate to have anal sex, i dunno, but we do have our differences. come off however you want, but there are always positive and negative reactions to any type of different view, especially one that is as judgmental as yours. you can believe what you want, but i wouldn't give up my liquor for almost anyone.
raverboy
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Originally Posted by Illusional [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Is that what they call Estonia these days?
it should be called that, however, yes that was a typo.
raverboy
I think the drinking age is fine at 21. It won't be as cool to drink when you're 18 if it's legal anyway.
But I think as teenagers enter adulthood, it's good to take them through steps like at 16, you drive. Then at 18, you can buy cigarettes, vote, lottery ticket. And then when you're 21, you can buy liquor. And at 25, rent a car. Then go into depression when you finally hit 30... jk
I think it's just a way to have kids and young adults look forward to something ... And since I'm 28 ... I don't really give a shit about what the legal age is of anything anymore.
now you can look forward to your friend child.
raverboy
did you mean first child?Quote:
Originally Posted by Illusional [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
^^^^ damn i got a lot of typos when i come online drunk ah?
raverboy