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There are so many alternatives. Here's an idea- Instead of $500 billion per year on Iraq, how about we just spend $500 billion on alternative energy and things like this?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_Reaction[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntroleum[/url]
Oh god, not another political debate...
i think we should bring horses and buggies back.
Who is "we"?
I doubt that any single country wants to invest in alternative energy, because after they discover it, it's only a matter of time until every other country that didn't spend $500 billion in research copies it.
It's one of those things that's good in theory, is well within our technological reach but isn't practically possible. I'm with misombra. Just walk or get around the old fashioned way. These gas prices are just criminal.
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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
How about we cut dependence on fossil fuels, let all the human beings without any instincts die, and evolve into mammalian predators, whose carnage will unjustly include cannibalism?
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Gas wouldn't be so expensive if it wasn't like 80% tax.
Don't blame the middle east, blame our stupid governments.
Gas has very little to do with the war in the Middle East.
the real theory of america is to buy and burn everyone else's resources so in the future, we will be the only ones with oil...
how can our country which is a million times larger than the middle east have so little oil??
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But what benefit will that give the war mongers, oil barons and industrial millitary complexes? (the dudes who run the country). What good will that do for them? It doesn't sound like they could make a lot of money out of this. While the country is sinking trillions into debt, these guys are stuffing their pockets with pure gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I say we turn the highways into bike paths...or at least add a portion for bikes. Hell, I bike whenever I can to cut on the cost of fuel. There's too many cars and too many lazy people.
[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=4NLmiuyLa98"]YouTube - Crimanimalz -The Freeway Ride I[/ame]
I'd enjoy doing the thing in the video wearing a t-shirt saying
"Bike > Car".
Going by train nowadays, but in two months I'll try pick up biking to uni.
Thats similar to what I was thinking. I am beginning to like you again.Quote:
Originally Posted by anachronistic [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
after we cut our dependency on oil, then we'll have to start cutting our dependency on food and water.
Yeah, ****in america, wasters of the world. Bomb yourselves, world peace.
What's so wrong with spending money on alternative energy research, implementing it, and then other countries start copying us?
I understand the "we wasted money on this and they copy us without doing crap" mentality.
But this isn't some science fair project. This is the earth, and making the lives of the present and future generations better. Not to mention the future of our environment better.
That's exactly what I mean. Then you either die off or live off the land. Most people would die off because they actually depend on that stuff.Quote:
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ps>> I love Futurama
We need a Worldwide Energy Saving Program, period.
Now who's going to start it?
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That is another good reason to cut dependency on oil. Less dependent people.
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Originally Posted by Tedel [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm sure there are others.
It's quite interesting to spot how we depend on oil in so many ways other than as a fuel for cars. It wont all be solved by new transport alternatives.
To provide a bit of a devil's advocate view about it, the effects of oil scarcity and global warming has not yet reached any critical effects, so by forcing changes to be made in the present is morally repugnant because we are poorer than future generations than can deal with it then when it is actually needed.
In many other ways like plastic bags? I remember the old beginning of the nineties when Soviet Union collapsed, everything was still natural back then.
Oil is not necessary at all actually, its just a lazy way out. btw, do you know that those shiny candy wrappers cost more than candy itself, the basis is made from oil, then there is paint and glue, and this stuff never settles in soil. Thats also the reason why candy is getting smaller and smaller each year.
How can I boycott this world and still live? ****, it makes me angry. Worker class has no other choice but to go with the flow.
May I ask what recipients were they wrapped instead, Booba? That's interesting.
And, Indi, thanks for the link. I'll check it out.
I was thinking more along the lines of a good theocratic dictatorship after the dependance is cut. With 7 virtues written into law and Religious police to keep them enforced like in Saudi Arabia :DQuote:
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Stupid argument. I hope you were being facetious. That's like saying you shouldn't be immunized for a disease until its actually rampant. Or that you should only start exercising once you have heart problems & diabetes. B/c future generations *might* have a cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lipp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And I don't think we can say we haven't reached any 'critical effects' of global warming. Waiting until the tipping point might be too late.
Like I said...lazy people are dependent.
Ride a damn bike. Unless you're commuting some crazy miles, there's no reason not to.
Kill multiple birds with one stone, less gas consumption, less pollution, less congestion on the streets, and reduce obesity.
We are going to need to do some serious bike commuting to make up for our carbon footprint this year. Air travel is THE worst! :(
I have a bike for you Indi, you can offset your carbon footprint here in Sydney
How about we find a way to draw carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, and use that to propel all our vehicles and processes?
You do know there's an X-prize for that, LW?
Mish, I was wondering about bicycles. Was thinking of taking ours, but too much hassle I think. Will look into buying/leasing some, I think.
What exactly is an X-prize? Google didn't help.
Sort of a scientific competition. For example, develop a relatively inexpensive means to exit and reenter the Earth's atmosphere, win 10 million bucks. In fact, that's the only X Prize I was aware of.
:-o I could do that...
This is going to take some research.
It's all ready been done.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/10/04/spaceshipone.attempt.cnn/[/url]
It's a very awesome story. These guys remind me of folks like Chuck Yeager, John Glenn and *gasp* Yuri Gagarin. Those guys were my childhood heroes.
I think Aldrin makes the list, too...
[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=mQKxAqpjroo[/ame]
Damn those Americans, they're at it againQuote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
But I looooove that video Gribble. That guy deserved more than being punched in the face, he should have been skinned alive and dragged through a mess of bacteria and left to die at the bottom of a shallow well
There's several & more coming, many to do with alternative energy sources & cleaning up the environment. Put your thinking caps on ppl:Quote:
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Prize_Foundation#Spotlight_on_Energy_.26_Environ ment[/url]
[url]http://www.xprize.org/[/url]
Yes, DM & that is what I was referring to when I said that private programs were in danger of being squeezed with US gov't policy on things like the Ares project. Stupid politicians & administrators too dumb to understand what they are undermining. NASA should just let these companies do their thing & buy their projects off-the-shelf. Put the funding back into basic research where it belongs & leave the development stuff to these excellent groups. They do it way better anyway.Quote:
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