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what would you do?
Meh, even if there weren't any STDs, I wouldn't be sleeping around... simply because I wouldn't be attracted to a woman that was doing it so I don't think I should... it'd be hypocritical.
yeah fear of stds has put a definite curb on my sexual behaviour over the years. f-cking things.
sometimes i wonder if the government maybe had something to do with stds... or maybe if some of it is a bit spoofed to scare us into being monogamous.
you're kidding right? STDs are as old as time.
if they were that old, i think just about everybody would have them. don't you?
i remember reading somewhere that humans were infected by stds and stis by ****ing animals. it's pretty much common sense that that is pretty much impossible.
Well no, because they are that old and not everybody has them. But they change. The best known one is Syphillis. King Henry VIII had that, so did Lenin, Hitler, Vincent van Gough and lots of other historical significants. Although now I believe it mostly crops up in the gay community. Don't forget most of them are curable nowadays with some notable exceptions.
well the only two i am dearly afraid of are aids and herpes. all of them are pretty nasty, but those are the worst i think.
yeah, me too. The other one is Chlamydia, because its so subtle and can make a woman infertile if it isn't picked up (as it often isn't). It isn't often talked about, but a lot of infertility relates to earlier infections.
Chlamydia is really common - in fact, one of the most common, and when you get it, the assumption is that the infected person also has gonorrhea because they almost always occur together. Unfortunately, the newer strains are becoming resistant to penicillin, too.
Syphilis is pretty common, too... pretty easily treated (if caught early).
The majority of people already have one form of herpes or another. It is outrageously common.
I would worry the most about hepatitis, HIV, and genital warts.
If there were no such thing as STDs, the condom manufacturers would go out of business.
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Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It is more for protection against pregnancy.
Anyone using a condom to try not to get an STD is stupid.
Especially if it's something that doesn't need fluid transfer and only needs skin contact.
My comment was half-joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Don't you think that condoms are promoted more to prevent disease these days? Maybe it's just more like that here in the city.
I think that if there were no STDs alot more women would go on the pill.
And what about gay folks? There's a good portion of the population not buying condoms if there were no such thing as STDs.
?! actually that's garbage. Next to abstinence and having partners tested, condoms are the best STD defense available. They're not perfect, but they're highly effective. For STDs like HIV, and Chlamydia they're fully protective as long as it doesn't break. Even for skin-to-skin stds like herpes and genital warts they still have an efficacy of around 90%. Just because you're not smart enough to use 'em I wouldn't go around spreading bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Personally I never have sex without them, and I won't until I get married. Not just for diseases, I mean, its pretty easy to forget a pill here and there. I like using them as back-up and its kept me out of trouble so far.
You're that confident in a condoms ability to protect against disease?
Would you knowingly **** a girl with HIV since condoms are going to protect against it?
EDIT: Anyways, my point wasn't that condoms don't offer some kind of protection. My point was that it's primarily to prevent pregnancy.
No you said "anyone using a condom to not get an STD is stupid," a truly sill remark. It's like saying anyone "using a motorbike helmet to protect your skull is stupid," just because some people on motorbikes are still killed or suffer brain damage even while wearing a helmet. Except its sillier because, like I said, as long as it doesn't break condoms are 100% effective against blood-borne diseases like HIV.
Anyhow, your new claim that condoms are "primarily to prevent pregnancy" is manifestly false. It's used for BOTH pregnancy and std protection. And while there are a variety of alternative methods of birth control, condoms are really the only mechanical form of protection against diseases we have.
Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It's still not a risk I'd take.
I ask again... would you sleep with a woman knowing that she has HIV? The condom will protect you for sure, right?
haha, "it's still not a risk I'd take". So you'd rather go raw? That's safer?
No I wouldn't sleep with a chick with HIV in case the condom broke, and anyway I wouldn't like the thought of it. But so what? I don't really see how that supports your idiotic, ill-informed statements.
I yi yi, I'm sorry I made such a hyperbole.
hyperbole means deliberate exaggeration....
Yes, I was exaggerating when I jokingly said that the condom manufacturers would go out of business. I didn't mean to start an argument lol.
I'm sure you know me well enough from my posts to know that I'm not out ****ing women just to get my dick wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I have sex in relationships. Relationships that have lasted a while. Relationships where the other person has been tested.
Yeah, my idiotic statement. The point of that statement was to show that you're not confident enough in the condom's ability to not always stay whole when you're having sex. Condoms can break. It happens. They aren't 100%. Even a 1% chance at contracting an STD due to a condom breaking is not one I'd want to take.
what annoys me about Cain's arguments is that they're driven by his moral agenda. They're not grounded in fact, or logic. On the contrary they're grounded on obvious ignorance.
I also have sex only in relationships where the partners have been tested, I still don't see what that has to do with your idiotic statements and I'm not going to argue with you any more. I'm done with you.
You win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Condoms are gifts from God. Everyone, go out and **** everyone you can because as long as you wear a condom, you're not going to contract anything.
You put me on ignore once. Feel free to do it again if you don't like what I write.
That, my friend, is what's known as a straw man argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It's okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
You win.
I'm wrong.
Always am.
I feel so much better now. I can get pussy without worry of STDs. I sure wish that the others that are infected would have known about this miracle condom.
Asking him if he'd sleep with an HIV positive woman while sporting a condom is like asking him if he'd willingly drive his motorcycle into a brick wall with his helmet on. It's an incredibly stupid question.
I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I was wrong.
You guys were right.
This is the reason I went on my new and improved tangent a week ago. My opinions are based on morality... and they are obviously shit.
A straw man argument is deliberately misrepresenting your oppenent's position to make it seem weaker. I.e. building up a straw man so you can knock it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I never said anything like condoms means "we can get pussy without worry of STDs." I would strongly discourage people from thinking of them as some STD cloak of invincibility. As I mentioned, they break and are only partly protective against skin-to-skin infections. But to draw from that, that they're not worth using at all is imbecilic. They are the best we have, at the moment.
If its weaknesses are over-emphasised, as they often are by those with moral agendas like the Christian Right, people are less like to use them at all. Like you don't. People should make a decision as to what level of risk they want to engage in based on the facts. If, on the other hand people limit their sexual activity for religious or moral reasons, or encourage others to do so, they should do it on the strength of those reasons alone. Not by scaremongering.
Once again, I never said that condoms shouldn't be used. I said that someone using them thinking that they are being completely protected against STDs is stupid.
I'm not saying I'd never use a condom either. I have. I'm saying that I wouldn't use a condom to prevent against STDs simply because I watch who I sleep with. I only sleep with a person I'm in a committed relationship with and has been tested. I'm not willing to gamble that the condom won't break if she by some chance has an STD.
I've tried to give opinions on people not going out and ****ing everyone they can, but usually my ideas and opinions get tossed to the side. It's funny... not you in particular... but a lot of men, probably most men, will not date a woman that has had 50 sexual partners unless he just wants her for sex but if a guy does that, he's just being a pimp.
Anyways. I'm not saying condoms are a bad thing. I'm saying that people that use them thinking they are being fully protected are stupid. It's those same people that contract something when the condom breaks and don't know they have an STD when they have sex with someone else and spread it.
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Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
There's a big difference between those two statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'll be sure that I'm specific as possible so that anyone can understand me next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
The funny thing is, I've come to more or less the same conclusion. The last time I had sex out of a relationship was three or four years ago and even then it was with a good friend of mine. Like you, I've decided that the risk of sleeping with randoms isn't worth it - even with a condom. More than anything else, I know that it'd make me worry. For some reason this one area I'm particularly risk averse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
In fact, I use condoms even within a relationship. I actually don't mind 'em and not wearing would feel weird. A bit like driving in a car without a seatbelt.
I have a hard time getting off with a condom. I've yet to actually ever do it. I can't get off going slowly like some guys can. I have to pump as fast as I can and I can't do that for five minutes without my thighs being tired as hell. Plus, the orgasm is so much more intense raw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I was a virgin until I was 21... and I was with my current girl for nine months before we had sex.
Condoms take some getting used to, that's all. Now I don't feel them. Sometimes I have to pull out to check that it's not broken. They used to feel terrible though. Try wanking with 'em for a while. That's what I did.
Well, if the relationship that I'm in ends for good, I'll likely be back to using them again anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I just want to remind you guys that many STDs can't be medically checked for in the absence of symptoms, and lots of males are asymptomatic carriers (HPV comes immediately to mind)...
This doesn't mean you shouldn't be tested, but it is still no guarantee. You should really always use a condom IMO unless you are trying to get a girl knocked up.
if i don't have a condom on, i'm not going to have sex, simple as that. i've gone without a condom before. i'm not going to do it again unless i know i'm happy with the girl and i trust her that much.
I thought HPV was the only one, and actually just about everyone has one strain of that,Quote:
Originally Posted by shh! [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
you know why they used to call it the clap? :surprised: