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What is it today with the prevalence of lipstick lesbians/bi curious females?
Why does it seem so cool to have a lesbian experience?
Is it because porn has made it more acceptable and that celebrities are either coming out or insinuating that they are lesbian/bi curious?
Is it because a lot of men find it a turn on and therefore make it more socially acceptable?
I would be interested to read people's thoughts.
Well, I honestly don't know what you're talking about with the lipstick.
I don't know why some chicks think it's cool to make out with other chicks at parties and so forth. It's a derogatory remark towards people who actually have those feelings.
ye i know what you mean with the attention seeking thing.
women have become more outspoken ......but some have not become more confident as the years have gone by (in respect of womens lib).
the first i ever heard of men liking lesbians was thru the sitcom 'friends'. it makes sense tho of course for every guy out there. its now openly admitted by guys whereas before that it wasn't.
attention seeking women have tapped into this and are so called 'coming out' or at least insinuating (for the HOT factor).......and then when they mature it stops...its sad really, some girls just want to please men no matter what
(and ladie i'm not referring to you at all (incase your para about that) your case was curiosity and you were horny, completely normal)
I'm against lesbians...all it means for me is less women for us guys.
Sarcasm aside I don't care if someone is gay/bi/lesbian. But I think it's stupid when women make out with each other at clubs or parties just to get a guys attention.
meh, I wouldn't mind making out with a girl just to see what it's like. I want to know what it feels like for a guy to kiss me, or a girl for that matter.
It has never crossed my mind to do it in a club for attention.
It's only the ugly ones that go all lesbian so it doesn't really worry me.
But I'm not sexually excited by girl on girl action. Unless I was in the middle, then it would be very exciting.
I don't think I've ever met the type. I've only known true hardcore lesbians (who don't shave their legs or anything else etc.) at work and that's about it. I don't know what to say. Doesn't bother me. Live and let live.
Curiously enough I had two classmates back in middle school, they were one-egg twins of different genders, and the girl was lesbian and the guy was gay.
What are the odds? Should be some underlying factor.
I just posted in another bi thread...I see this is a hot topic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dasein [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yep people are going to fuss at me but it's because the porn has made it more acceptable and some men socially accept female on female and because it's 'different' they find it to be a sexual turn on. However, I am learning that a few men are cautious into marrying a bi curious woman for various reasons. :P
Well thanks for pointing that out Eco cuz I actually was a little bit offended by this thread. Well, IF it was towards me in any way, I'd like to point out that I am not the type to kiss women in public just to turn the guys on. Shit, I wouldnt do it period. I find that to be very pathetic. What are you really getting out of it? I had already felt weird posting it in the first place cuz I feared you guys would judge me because I would have sex with a woman. If I were to have sex with a woman, I would treat it as I treat any other sex partner, its a private thing between you and I.Quote:
Originally Posted by ecojeanne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I've seen the evolution of what you are talking about, Dasein. When I was growing up, although the curiosity was there, it was definitely NOT okay to express interest in sexual activity with someone of the same gender. Nowadays, a lot of high school girls claim to be bi-sexual. I DO think it has to do with attention-seeking from boys, but I think a few are simply confused. Teenagers have so many hormones raging out of control, they'd engage in sexual activity with a doorknob. Because of this indiscriminate horniness, the confused question their sexual preferences. I've seen it happen with kids on this forum. In the end, they usually end up being straight once their hormones begin to calm down, or once it is no longer "fashionable" to be bi-sexual.
EDIT: Ironically, I don't see gay kids question their sexuality as much as straight kids.
I agree. It's a confusing time for teens as they settle into their sexuality and hormones. And many will engage in sexual activity with a doorknob or anything else someone may suggest as okay. They have peers and their hormones to deal with. If I were the teen I would wait until I am much older before engaging in sexual activity with another person so that I don't 'accidently' f**k any and everybody that come in my way. Of course we can't successfully guide the kids on this forum. If I had kids......:tough: The stress of parenthood. I empathize with the parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by shh! [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Honestly, most young women engaging in this behaviour are just experimenting. Sometimes the idea of doing something 'forbidden' is sexually exciting, even if it isn't your normal sexual preference. I get excited by some very kinky ideas I'd never actually put into practice.
I would also never kiss a girl to turn on/get the interest of men.
The way of the world. It seems everything that was viewed once as immoral is getting popular. I think people should not pretend to be gay just because they are curious. The media and celebrities like Madonna and Britney have made this so popular. But why is it a double standard in our society....meaning it is okay for two straight women to experience bi-sexuality but if it were two straight boys being curious, you never hear the end of it. Confession: Watching Brokeback Mountain turned me on. :D
Yeah, lesbians are cool and acceptable, but gay guys aren't. Holy double standard.
:surprised How did you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by shh! [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Let me just say that this thread was in no way an attack on Ladienisha. When I read her thread it did spark off a thought process but it was more questioning the difference in society today in comparison say to 20-30 years ago.
I am also not making any judgements of any kind just really trying to bounce ideas around.
With that said I must admit that I am getting a little tired of the pseudo lesbian thing with celebrities and the like. Just recently in Australia there was this thing where a female singer was apparently getting it on with an MTV VJ. It was a publicity stunt..for what..I don't know. Does this make the celeb MORE popular?
Yes, it definitely seems like alot of pop stars use it for publicity, like Britney kissing Madonna. And that Katy Perry song. You know that woman wouldn't be famous if she hadn't "kissed a girl."
I'd rather see the media focus more on real gay couples, rather than treating them like a novelty.
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Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yes! I totally agree.
A lesbian friend of mine suffers tremendously in her daily life because she is openly gay. I have plenty of examples..too much to go into on here.
I think this is the part that irritates me..the novelty...the pretence..the obvious attention seeking behaviour.
Anyway, who cares?
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Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And you tell other people in posts to behave like adults. Great addition to this post Dopple.
I find it interesting to observe people in a sociological manner.
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Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Goodness, it's one of these rare creatures in its natural habit. Let's sneak up on it to get a closer look, shall we? Careful, now, we don't want to scare it away.Quote:
Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yes, it's a beaut. What a terrific specimen.
Actually I am quite a nihilist, by this definition: "Nihilists generally assert that objective morality does not exist, and that no action is logically preferable to any other in regard to the moral value of one action over another." :D
In fact, the painting I am doing right now, is in fact, called The pointlessness of Existence
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism[/url]
Maybe the painting should be called "The pointlessness of Nihilistic Existence"?
Since all others who are not Nihilist have objective moral values, even if as vague as non cannibalism > cannibalism or non pedophile > pedophile
Don't be an idiot. Just because someone is a Nihilist does not mean they support cannibalism or pedophilia; it means they are objective in believing that all morals are nonobjective (I know, bit of a strawman, but continue reading). A cannibal may feel what he/she is doing is right, despite cases like Jeffrey Dahmer's. What about lynching? What about feelings of jealousy, or emotions overridden by murderous feelings, even in a person doesn't act out on them? Feelings of hatred? Stealing? Cheating? Some people think it's okay to steal from the rich and give to the poor, however the rich do not. Others think it's okay to cheat on their partner because they don't know about it. How does their partner feel about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Who is to say what is right and what is wrong? What if a person deserves to be eaten/cheated on/lynched? Exactly; people who are affected by it, directly or indirectly. Your statement is contradictory.
By using the same logic are you going to say "What if a child deserves to be raped"?Quote:
Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I think it's obvious (at least to me) that there are at least some moral values that people should pursue and there are actions which are wrong and values which have value over the other
I am not personally questioning these things, I was using them as an example, on how moral can't be objective. If you want to get personal though, despite being somewhat nihilistic, I do have a good sense of right and wrong, and I do have values, but that's not the subject at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I think there is a thin line between values and morals. We all have a certain set of values; it is wrong to kill a person, it is wrong to get in a fight, it is wrong to rape someone (again, just for an example, some people will/will not agree) What I am getting at is this thin line; if there was an objective set of morals, nobody would kill, eat, or rape anyone; everyone would simply agree. Even just saying that there is such a thing as objective morals is somewhat contradictory, because objectivity is seeing something for what it is, and moral is your personal relation to it. By morality, something is right or wrong, and by objectivity, it simply just is. It would be ignorant of any single person to say "this is right" and/or "this is wrong" and because majority rules, does that always mean majority is right? How about Nazi Germany?
Even things like homosexuality. In Iran, it's punishable by death, whereas in America (depending on whom you ask) a person might think homosexuality is okay.
I see what you're saying though; a society can function without a basic set of rules.
And boy, I really do appreciate this debate, because I am writing a story which kind of takes a stab at morality.
My main objection was to this statementQuote:
Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
no action is logically preferable to any other in regard to the moral value of one action over another.
I think if this is what Nihilism tries to prove then Nihilism is deeply flawed. The above statement itself is simply wrong. There are actions which are logically preferable to any other in regards to the moral value of one action over the other.
I am in disagreement with that bit, too. In my post I was only referring to the bolded bit ;)
Doppel, from your posts I actually don't think you're a Nilihist. You seem to seek the meaning behind ideas and actions, especially as an artist. If you truly didn't care, I doubt you'd even be arguing with Mish here. You may have Nihilistic tendencies though.
I understand the philosophical position from a historical standpoint, but Nihilism nowadays to me seems like a pseudo-intellectual way of copping out on actually taking a stand on something.
It's funny how posts morph..lesbianism to nihilism???
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This picture reminded me of this thread. :D