Societal Change

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07-01-10, 02:16 AM
CAM

Societal Change

So, in a matter of week...I learned the following things.

1. My dad's old boss who is nearly 80 years old has lost his wife of 42 years and is now moved to New York City to take up the gay lifestyle (I saw a picture of him on the internet all dressed in leather with tattoos, nipple rings and earrings.

2. The president of the US has appointed his first tranny to a government post.

3. The heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune was found dead at 30. A party girl who was married and then took up the lesbian lifestyle.

4. Apparently, more and more men are becoming transgendered. And, more and more women are becoming lesbians.

Any thoughts on men want to be women and vice versa? Based on some of the photos I saw when I found my dad's old boss' photo on the internet, many of the trannys actually look more feminine that the real women. LOL

I'm glad I just stay home avoid the zoo. I mean, "High Society."
07-01-10, 03:08 AM
DoesntMatter

The Nazis did this to Jews (against their will) in the 1940s. I guess they were just ahead of their time
07-01-10, 03:55 AM
Gigabitch

I honestly don't give a shit if other people are gay (as long as my husband isn't).
07-01-10, 05:33 AM
Mish

People who used to hide it are coming out of the closest because they don't have to fear for their lives like they used to before.
07-01-10, 05:38 AM
CAM

I didn't ask if you cared or not...I was making an observation of society and asking for a discussion about societal change.

Your reply would indicate that you do not care to observe the world around you--only those things that directly impact your personal private existence. I assume therefore that the Age of Enlightenment would be viewed with equal disdain, right?

The other comment about the Nazis...what exactly does that mean? Whether the Nazi's forcefully dissected people or not has nothing to do with individuals voluntarily doing it to themselves. Duh.

Of course, one still has to put the disclaimer just to ensure that nobody would think otherwise: Yes, I think the Nazi's are the worst form of scum...right up there with the Stalinists, the Maoists, and all the rest of the totalitarian racists.
07-01-10, 05:39 AM
CAM

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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

People who used to hide it are coming out of the closest because they don't have to fear for their lives like they used to before.

Or it is symptomatic of a problem with over population, as was found in studies of rats in overpopulated cages?
07-01-10, 05:45 AM
Junket

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Originally Posted by CAM [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Or it is symptomatic of a problem with over population, as was found in studies of rats in overpopulated cages?

Wouldn't surprise me.

The cultural differences between rural populations and urban can be vast, even in the same state.

Though, with the advent of personal automobiles, highways, and the internet, that also has become increasingly ambiguous.
07-01-10, 05:49 AM
Mish

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Originally Posted by CAM [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Or it is symptomatic of a problem with over population, as was found in studies of rats in overpopulated cages?

Potentially, but it seems to be more of a change in the western countries which have more individual freedom. The overpopulated developing countries don't have the open gay communities and gay pride parades like we do because of the lack of freedom. Instead they choose the safety of anonymity over there. Give them more individual freedom and they will also come out in numbers, same goes for most gays through the history of human civilization. Ancient Greece for example which was tolerant to gays, it had a substantial open gay community though it wasn't as over populated as for example some present day African cities which have smaller percentage of people who are openly gay. I think mostly because they are scared to come out.
07-01-10, 05:54 AM
Gigabitch

What I mean by "I don't care" is that I'm not bothered by it. I'm much more bothered by repressive religions that preclude proper medical care for children or oppress women, etc.

I don't really mind if people want to let their freak flag fly.
07-01-10, 06:11 AM
CAM

Isn't interesting that Western history indicates that each time a society has become more tolerant is usually approaching the end of its days of power and influence. Must have something to do with mental flabbiness brought on by too much decadence.
07-01-10, 06:13 AM
CAM

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Originally Posted by Gigabitch [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

What I mean by "I don't care" is that I'm not bothered by it. I'm much more bothered by repressive religions that preclude proper medical care for children or oppress women, etc.

I don't really mind if people want to let their freak flag fly.

Intolerant of intolerance, eh?
07-01-10, 06:14 AM
Junket

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Originally Posted by CAM [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Isn't interesting that Western history indicates that each time a society has become more tolerant is usually approaching the end of its days of power and influence. Must have something to do with mental flabbiness brought on by too much decadence.

What do you expect?

Humans probably shouldn't be interacting with each other in such numbers.

That's probably why rural areas have managed to stay more conservative. They're not interested in changing anything, therefore they're less tolerant, less innovative, but more stable.
07-01-10, 06:15 AM
Cbrider

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Originally Posted by Gigabitch [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

]I don't really mind if people want to let their freak flag fly.

I envision underwear on a stick.
07-01-10, 06:21 AM
qwertz

ROFL, cb! !
07-01-10, 06:24 AM
vashti

Speaking as someone who has lived in a boring suburb for far too long, I approve of the colorful people in the world. I say we should burn all the polo shirts and khakis!
07-01-10, 06:27 AM
Sonrisa

ughm, i see too many colorful people. i'd like to live in a boring suburb for a change.
07-01-10, 06:33 AM
Mish

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Originally Posted by CAM [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Isn't interesting that Western history indicates that each time a society has become more tolerant is usually approaching the end of its days of power and influence.

I don't subscribe to that point of view. Most countries that approached the end of their power and influence made horrendous and horrific mistakes, started and lost wars and became stagnant, selfish and decadent, it wasn't a result of their tolerance. Just look at Nazi Germany and the Ottoman Empire.
07-01-10, 08:14 AM
DoesntMatter

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Originally Posted by CAM [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Whether the Nazi's forcefully dissected people or not has nothing to do with individuals voluntarily doing it to themselves. Duh.

I was talking about gender-changing operations

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Originally Posted by CAM [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

The other comment about the Nazis...what exactly does that mean?

That they were simply ahead of their time. Not that people are fuccked in the head for wanting to have their own gender changed
07-01-10, 12:54 PM
IndiReloaded

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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Potentially, but it seems to be more of a change in the western countries which have more individual freedom. The overpopulated developing countries don't have the open gay communities and gay pride parades like we do because of the lack of freedom. Instead they choose the safety of anonymity over there. Give them more individual freedom and they will also come out in numbers, same goes for most gays through the history of human civilization. Ancient Greece for example which was tolerant to gays, it had a substantial open gay community though it wasn't as over populated as for example some present day African cities which have smaller percentage of people who are openly gay. I think mostly because they are scared to come out.

This^ pretty much sums up my viewpoint. Tho, I think its more people simply wanting to experiment with options, possibly more than a true 'coming out'.

People in our society are bored IMO. No real, meaningful goals. Most don't have the inclination to create their own productive amusement. I suppose this transgender stuff is such an outlet. Same for young teenagers experimenting with homo/bisexuality. Those numbers seem up as well.

This is why I really support space colonization. There's a worthy outlet for humanity. Watch most of these side antics disappear when you are mining or GMing soil to support life.
08-01-10, 12:52 AM
doppelgaenger

This is not the age of enlightenment, it's the age of look at me I'm a faggot.
08-01-10, 12:53 AM
doppelgaenger

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

This^ pretty much sums up my viewpoint. Tho, I think its more people simply wanting to experiment with options, possibly more than a true 'coming out'.

People in our society are bored IMO. No real, meaningful goals. Most don't have the inclination to create their own productive amusement. I suppose this transgender stuff is such an outlet. Same for young teenagers experimenting with homo/bisexuality. Those numbers seem up as well.

This is why I really support space colonization. There's a worthy outlet for humanity. Watch most of these side antics disappear when you are mining or GMing soil to support life.

Oh great, you think that gay people are just fuccking bored? Well why the hell would you send them to space? Think of all the shit they would do in a 0-gravity environment! They'd come back and probe us like the aliens!
08-01-10, 01:24 AM
CAM

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

People in our society are bored IMO. No real, meaningful goals. Most don't have the inclination to create their own productive amusement. I suppose this transgender stuff is such an outlet. Same for young teenagers experimenting with homo/bisexuality. Those numbers seem up as well.

This is why I really support space colonization. There's a worthy outlet for humanity. Watch most of these side antics disappear when you are mining or GMing soil to support life.

Yes, there are alot of people who should be shot off the planet into outer space. Whether they colonize or not is another matter, of course :)

But, I agree...they are bored because we live in a decadent society. When you are busy with just living/survival, you have a lot less time to think about what it would feel like to stick your dick up your friend Bob's ass or to wear your sister Jenny's panties. The latter is the result of an idle mind that lacks all sense of self-control.
08-01-10, 01:31 AM
CAM

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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I don't subscribe to that point of view. Most countries that approached the end of their power and influence made horrendous and horrific mistakes, started and lost wars and became stagnant, selfish and decadent, it wasn't a result of their tolerance. Just look at Nazi Germany and the Ottoman Empire.

Equating Nazi Germany to the Ottoman Empire??? Wrong-o.

The Nazis were race based intolerance, the Ottomans were religious based AND were more tolerant than you would suppose. The dhimmi were second class citizens, but they had rights. The Ottomans became more tolerant beginning in the 16th c. under Suleiman...one of the downfalls of Ottoman governance was when he allowed the Janissary class to marry--thus diluting their loyalties to the throne.

If you want to compare Nazi Germany to something in the Middle East, then you might think about the Grand Mufti in Palestine...after all, he was a Hitler loyalist during WWII.
08-01-10, 03:27 AM
ecojeanne

it's all the oestrogen filled shite people are exposed to in skin care products and food and in the bloomin water from people throwing shit into the water supply down the sink and down the toilet. i'm so glad i'm not gay. i pity people that have to go through all the feelings and worries involved with being gay.
08-01-10, 01:50 PM
IndiReloaded

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Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Oh great, you think that gay people are just fuccking bored? Well why the hell would you send them to space? Think of all the shit they would do in a 0-gravity environment! They'd come back and probe us like the aliens!

LOL. I think its the other way around: bored people are calling themselves gay. I'm not describing bona fide homosexuals. I mean the people who think its a sexual lifestyle flavour, like 'chocolate chunky monkey' ice cream.