How do I attract a female?

I haven't really been interested in the females too much in the past, but recently, pretty much all of my friends have split off into couples. They're always doing couple-y things and i feel sort of like an extra wheel all of the time. I figure that if I manage to attract one, I could bring her along and stop feeling so awkward when spending time with my friends. I also don't really know where to start trying to locate a suitable female...most of my friends of that gender are already in couples. There is one who isn't, but she is kinda annoying in anything other than short interactions. I'm really busy doing multiple math classes and physics classes, so I don't have too much free time to locate a female I would like to spend time with.

I've never had or tried to obtain a girlfriend in the past, I have a few questions:
Where might I locate a suitable female?
How would I attract her?
If I do find one, how do I know if she is interested in me?

females are more than just accessories for you to fit in with your peers

yeah your totally looking at this the wrong way.. you should find a woman because you WANT one, specifically, your interested in a nice girl and would like to be with her.. not just because its the trend with your buddies. If this wasn't something that caught your attention before your buddies' found women, then i would be questioning other things. Also how old are you?.. if your younger, i wouldnt worry too much but if your like into your 20's, then it might be a tad odd.. but nothing that can't be fixed or arranged.

I can tell you're a science major, because you're trying to look at this whole thing objectively, as if there were some mathematical proof to dating.

Try taking some humanities classes outside of your major, and maybe you'll begin to understand the complexities of humanity that just can't be scientifically explained.

I think I might sign up for some of those. That is a good idea, as I can hardly understand or predict human interactions with only a grounding in physical sciences. To answer all alone's question, I am 18. I haven't really been interested in girls before this, and am feeling a bit out of place now, as all of my friends have become couples.

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Originally Posted by pencil_soup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I haven't really been interested in the females too much in the past, but recently, pretty much all of my friends have split off into couples. They're always doing couple-y things and i feel sort of like an extra wheel all of the time. I figure that if I manage to attract one, I could bring her along and stop feeling so awkward when spending time with my friends. I also don't really know where to start trying to locate a suitable female...most of my friends of that gender are already in couples. There is one who isn't, but she is kinda annoying in anything other than short interactions. I'm really busy doing multiple math classes and physics classes, so I don't have too much free time to locate a female I would like to spend time with.

I've never had or tried to obtain a girlfriend in the past, I have a few questions:
Where might I locate a suitable female?
How would I attract her?
If I do find one, how do I know if she is interested in me?

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you can locate a girl anywhere, supermarket, club, library, work, school, you name it.
how would you attract here? well you learn from others, you read etc... i can tell you for example from my experience.
if you find one she will be interested in you if you do what you should. example: you go to a party. find a place for yourself. for example a table. sit. put keys, wallet etc. on the table. this says: "i'm a man, this is my personal space, i'm confortable here". from here look to the women in the room. try to catch their eyes. do no break eye contact first, let her do it. if she breaks the eye contact by looking to the left of right, look for other woman, she is not interested in you. do not be interested in women that give you a blank stare. if the woman breaks the eye contact by looking down you may approach her. she is interested.
you must be sure of what you do, walk toward her. just walk, no extra movement. say something normal like "hi, my name is... and i want to make aquintace to you", or any other way you tell in english. i don't speak english as native language, but i think you got the idea. do not tell her complex phrases. be simple and objective oriented. from here, you can chat with her easy if you did not do a mistake because it's easier to say but harder to do. good luck! if you want i can tell you what should you read to know more.

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Originally Posted by pencil_soup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I think I might sign up for some of those. That is a good idea, as I can hardly understand or predict human interactions with only a grounding in physical sciences. To answer all alone's question, I am 18. I haven't really been interested in girls before this, and am feeling a bit out of place now, as all of my friends have become couples.

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You can't predict human interactions, and rarely can anyone hope to ever understand them. Poets and songwriters have been trying to understand humanity for thousands of years, and much to no avail.

Sure, you've got your basic scientific explanations, such as from Freud or Darwin, but again, all science can ever hope to understand about humans is what stimuli causes them to behave the way they do--the idea of understanding a human's true cognitive process is beyond anything but speculation.

Read some Robert Frost, William Shakespeare, TS Elliot, Emily Dickenson, Dante--these are good places to start.

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Originally Posted by Cyberpunk85 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

You can't predict human interactions, and rarely can anyone hope to ever understand them. Poets and songwriters have been trying to understand humanity for thousands of years, and much to no avail.

Sure, you've got your basic scientific explanations, such as from Freud or Darwin, but again, all science can ever hope to understand about humans is what stimuli causes them to behave the way they do--the idea of understanding a human's true cognitive process is beyond anything but speculation.

Read some Robert Frost, William Shakespeare, TS Elliot, Emily Dickenson, Dante--these are good places to start.

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oh, these are good to build a culture. i totally encourage him reading them but they won't help with what he wants. he would better start with Schopenhauer.

@pencil_soup, i can tell you what kind of books to read and, apply because reading is for culture and entertainment, practicing makes you better. you don't need to read about girls for entertainment, you need to read in order to practice.

I will try to do some reading in these topics. I should have some free time pretty soon, I'll try to pick up a book by Schopenhauer or one of the other aforementioned authors. Is there a particular work that I should look for?

This thread is hilarious.

Pencil_soup, if you are not interested in women don't try to force yourself to be. You should only try to date a girl if you like her.

It's entirely possible that you are not ready to date. It is entirely possible that you are attracted to something other than women. You need to figure it out for yourself and not subject some poor girl to your awkward bumblings just because you want to fit in with your buddies.

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Originally Posted by cedricleo [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

oh, these are good to build a culture. i totally encourage him reading them but they won't help with what he wants. he would better start with Schopenhauer.

@pencil_soup, i can tell you what kind of books to read and, apply because reading is for culture and entertainment, practicing makes you better. you don't need to read about girls for entertainment, you need to read in order to practice.

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You've really just made things extremely difficult for him. He needs to start by learning empathy, not reason. You can't reason with women. You've steered him in a completely opposite direction than where he should be going.

Oh god... do the entire female population a favor and DON'T try to pick up women just to fit in with your friends. You'll end up breaking someone's heart.

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Originally Posted by pencil_soup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I will try to do some reading in these topics. I should have some free time pretty soon, I'll try to pick up a book by Schopenhauer or one of the other aforementioned authors. Is there a particular work that I should look for?

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Schopenhauer teaches you the differences between males and females. I don't know how do you have the book translated in english but it's something like "The life, the love and the death", i had a version in english, i read it first in english and after that in romanian. try the chapter "the love". there are some hints about the differences between men and women. you will need them when you read other things about seduction, for better understanding.

after that try david deangelo "The 8 personality types that naturally attract women". that man is a gold mine. i do not have much time now, i'm at work and i have something to finish here. i'll tell you what you should look for next in a few hours...

now... it depends what do you want to learn these for, to be the average guy that can have a girlfriend now and then, or to better your chances with girls and become a PUA (pick-up artist). in the second case, you have much to learn.

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Originally Posted by Cyberpunk85 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

You've really just made things extremely difficult for him. He needs to start by learning empathy, not reason. You can't reason with women. You've steered him in a completely opposite direction than where he should be going.

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cyberpunk85, he needs results. let him have results and after that he will want to have empathy. seduction it about getting a wonderful woman and keep her, not getting a "harem". but if you don't date many women you have the chances of a snowball in hell to keep a good woman. trust me, he will learn emapthy.

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Originally Posted by Ariadne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Oh god... do the entire female population a favor and DON'T try to pick up women just to fit in with your friends. You'll end up breaking someone's heart.

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have you never done so? did you never break someone's heart?

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Originally Posted by cedricleo [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

have you never done so? did you never break someone's heart?

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Sure I have. Plenty of times. That doesn't make it right or ok. OP doesn't sound like he has any interest in being with a woman. He's just going to mess with some girl's head for a stupid reason.

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Originally Posted by LailaK [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

This thread is hilarious.

Pencil_soup, if you are not interested in women don't try to force yourself to be. You should only try to date a girl if you like her.

It's entirely possible that you are not ready to date. It is entirely possible that you are attracted to something other than women. You need to figure it out for yourself and not subject some poor girl to your awkward bumblings just because you want to fit in with your buddies.

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Im with you this is brilliant!! it's like the movie a beautiful mind........ so can we exchange bodily fluids now WHACK!!! lol :D

good places to pick up girls:
-fluid dynamics lab
-physics lectures
-engineering classes
-quantum physics lectures
-comicon
-Print a bunch of shirts with your number on them saying "if you know who Claude Shannon was Hit me up" (actually know guys that did this)
or honk if you think platonic solids are sex, then when they honk you can flash the the double pistols and a wink
Or SETI if your out their daddies waiting for your call

Any girl you catch talking about the Poincaré conjecture, Schrödinger's cat or the turing test should be awarded extra points!

I wouldn't try bars or night clubs they'll get talking about jersey shore and you'll end up trying to get yourself drunk instead of them.

Im totally gonna get the platonic solids one made :D

Any girl who knows the Turing Test might possibly be Artificial Intelligence, so the OP shouldn't trust her.

^^^ Hey, hey now, just because a girl is AI doesn't mean you should diss her. The #1 thing that my guy friends complain about is that their girlfriends are "overly emotional". It seems to me that an AI girl would be just perfect for most men.

This is true man good eye I missed that lol

pencil, you cant approach girls like they are an equation with an answer. There is no answer. You will be very upset when you find out that there is no reason some times for what happens in the dating world. You just got to get yourself out there if you are interested. You can search your classroom for "suitable mate" and then hope that the real-life Google will bring your your best result.... lol. There is no rhyme or reason. You got to get a girl interested in you, and you got to keep her interested. Math equations wont do it, at all.

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Originally Posted by Ariadne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Sure I have. Plenty of times. That doesn't make it right or ok. OP doesn't sound like he has any interest in being with a woman. He's just going to mess with some girl's head for a stupid reason.

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so, you did it anyway and you knew it was not right? but that thing made you develop yourself into what you are now. and maybe "the victim" too. so, why don't you let others develop their personality the same way? that's the normal process. protecting people will just make them week. what happens if you did that to a society for 2 generation and after that time comes somebody prepared, like me, and affect all the course of that society?
have you walk the first time you tried? no, i bet you fell down, and you got up and again you fell down... so, you got experience even if for the first times that hurt you. let others do the same. let them gather their experience!

so, you think that what i told him to do is not good. i did the same paces, yet i'm not a machine that hurts a woman's feeling. my ex-grilfriend said that for her i was the perfect man (we are the best friend even now after 10 years). my actual girlfriend said the same to me and not only once... so, from my experience i might add: you hurt someone's feelings when you don't know what to do, but never when you know how you can make her happy.

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Originally Posted by justcheckin [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

pencil, you cant approach girls like they are an equation with an answer. There is no answer. You will be very upset when you find out that there is no reason some times for what happens in the dating world. You just got to get yourself out there if you are interested. You can search your classroom for "suitable mate" and then hope that the real-life Google will bring your your best result.... lol. There is no rhyme or reason. You got to get a girl interested in you, and you got to keep her interested. Math equations wont do it, at all.

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anywhere is an equation. does the fisherman catches his fishes without a technique? does a hunter hunts a bird with bare hands, a lion with a bow, and a boar with a gun? no, they always have "equation" for any case. the world was made respecting logic. if you pour water into a glass it will stay there in all the cases never float away. the emotion is just an answer to something logical, you do something to get an emotion. even more, when affected by emotion, the body behaves itself in a fixed number of ways. from these the body choose one or more ways to behave in proportion with the degree of emotion/intensity of stimulus.

now if you want to answer? how will you get a girl interested in you? how much time can you keep her interested in you? how do you get a specific girl interested in you?

know that... there are equations, women from all over the wolrd will respond well to the same basic things and not to well to others.
example: tell a japanese you encoutered on the street that you want to have sex with her even without saying hi. tell that to a black woman. tell that to a european woman. tell that to an american woman. maybe all of them will slap you or call the cops. so the equation is do that = not good.

Some people are advising me not to pursue girls at all if I am not attracted to them, but I still think it might not be that bad of an idea to try. If I meet someone and eventually become attracted to her, would that be still considered bad? What I mean to say is: Are relationships path independent in that aspect?

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Originally Posted by cedricleo [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

anywhere is an equation. does the fisherman catches his fishes without a technique? does a hunter hunts a bird with bare hands, a lion with a bow, and a boar with a gun? no, they always have "equation" for any case. the world was made respecting logic. if you pour water into a glass it will stay there in all the cases never float away. the emotion is just an answer to something logical, you do something to get an emotion. even more, when affected by emotion, the body behaves itself in a fixed number of ways. from these the body choose one or more ways to behave in proportion with the degree of emotion/intensity of stimulus.

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So it appears models may exist to predict this sort of behavior, which is useful to know. Are there any especially good ones to apply in my situation?

You just wanted to have a girl for fun.Try to attract the girl in your group.I hope you will stop getting annoyed by her.

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Originally Posted by pencil_soup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Some people are advising me not to pursue girls at all if I am not attracted to them, but I still think it might not be that bad of an idea to try. If I meet someone and eventually become attracted to her, would that be still considered bad? What I mean to say is: Are relationships path independent in that aspect?

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All I'm saying is there has to be a reason you are not attracted to girls. Maybe you are gay, although you haven't mentioned an attraction to men so maybe you are asexual. Either way, no girl is going to want to find those things out about her boyfriend after she's fallen for him. I think you should look for a friend who is a girl, without trying to add romance to the situation.

If some poor girl falls for you and you were just trying some dumb experiment you are going to end up in a world of drama and it will be your own fault.

Just saying.

Or you could try this approach:

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In all seriousness Pencil, you might want to apply reasonable standards to your search.

First, take a hard look in the mirror and assess your own looks. Are your features symmetrical? It's relevant, because symmetrical faces are generally perceived as more attractive than assymetrical faces. How about your Body Mass Index? Are you in the healthy range? Remember, muscle weighs more than fat, so you can still be healthy if you exceed your BMI, if you are on the muscular side. If you're not sure, post a picture of yourself at Hotornot.com to gather some empirical data about how attractive you are. Without the empirical data, you are likely to rate yourself a 7 on the scale of 1 to 10, because that's what most people rate themselves.

With a reasonable assessment of your own appearance in mind, try to focus on women of a comparable level of appearance. It's okay to seek certain qualities like intelligence or an upbeat personality, but be flexible. Otherwise you may end up with the terrestrial equivalent of the Drake Equation, giving you dismal odds of ever meeting a suitable woman. Friends of mine recently walked a young, female acquaintance through her own version of the Drake Equation, and determined that there might be two men on the entire planet that she would deign to date. Since she was somewhat overweight, the odds that those two men would be interested in her was less favorable.

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Originally Posted by pencil_soup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Some people are advising me not to pursue girls at all if I am not attracted to them, but I still think it might not be that bad of an idea to try. If I meet someone and eventually become attracted to her, would that be still considered bad? What I mean to say is: Are relationships path independent in that aspect?
So it appears models may exist to predict this sort of behavior, which is useful to know. Are there any especially good ones to apply in my situation?

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model for your situation? nope, because you don't have a situation. you will have one when you try to find a girl. right now all what you do it reading (entertainment). models apply to situations (practice).

first thing... you must destroy or diminuish the fear of rejection. this is done by getting to know lots of different women.

let others say what they want. you are in charge of your life and you live it. so, you are the producer of your movie. will it have happy end for you and them one you care for? it won't? it will have only for you? how do others help you? only your parents give you a place to live, only they feed you. do you think that others will help you with something other their opinion? and what is an opinion? a thought made from what a person learns from a situation he encountered before. a situation that he won or lost? if he lost is does that mean you will too? if he had a weak personality, does it means that you have it two. opinions apply only to one person. did einstein rely on the opinion of his physics teacher (who considered him retarded) when he invented the ways of using atomic energy?

good thing or bad thing... in your life you have the title part. you chose how things will be. my yahoo id is brasoveanuleontin

if you want we can talk there more on the subject.

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Originally Posted by VincenzoG91 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

In all seriousness Pencil, you might want to apply reasonable standards to your search.

First, take a hard look in the mirror and assess your own looks. Are your features symmetrical? It's relevant, because symmetrical faces are generally perceived as more attractive than assymetrical faces. How about your Body Mass Index? Are you in the healthy range? Remember, muscle weighs more than fat, so you can still be healthy if you exceed your BMI, if you are on the muscular side. If you're not sure, post a picture of yourself at Hotornot.com to gather some empirical data about how attractive you are. Without the empirical data, you are likely to rate yourself a 7 on the scale of 1 to 10, because that's what most people rate themselves.

With a reasonable assessment of your own appearance in mind, try to focus on women of a comparable level of appearance. It's okay to seek certain qualities like intelligence or an upbeat personality, but be flexible. Otherwise you may end up with the terrestrial equivalent of the Drake Equation, giving you dismal odds of ever meeting a suitable woman. Friends of mine recently walked a young, female acquaintance through her own version of the Drake Equation, and determined that there might be two men on the entire planet that she would deign to date. Since she was somewhat overweight, the odds that those two men would be interested in her was less favorable.

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social programming... or do you call it otherwise there?

first of all... women don't have, like men do, a "caveman syndrome". men choose women through taste and sight and women choose men through smell and touch. and the way you look like depends on how the women in a region value themselves. for example i was once in a club in london. god... they have only ugly women there. so, i went in, i've seen those women, i didn't want to be alone that night and i wanted to have at least some conversation. but what woman should i have chosen? i didn't like any of them. finally after 30 min i see a girl, average by my standards (in Romania i would never speak to a girl looking like her, or maybe i would if she was one of my best friends, nothing more). So, i went to her and presented myself, told her who i was, etc etc. And i got a rejection of a kind that in Romania you take only from the most gorgeous girls. i was stunned, i said "what the god damn f@@@ whas that?"

lesson to be learned: that girl was not so good-looking, but she looked better then most of the girls there. that means that if there is competition the most ugly woman in the world would reject you, if the most beautiful woman in the world won't have pretenders, she sees you handsome.

Do not advise him to focus on women with the same level of appearance. why? i you must always go to women you like. it is easier to show her without using words that you like her. and beautiful women know if they want something or not, they have more emotional intelligence too. trust me, from my experience i learned that the most problems you have with average women. they are full of frustration and other problems.