Hookers Instead of Girlfriends?

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16-02-14, 12:26 PM
JBG

Hookers Instead of Girlfriends?

I'm 29, successful and making six figures. I take care of myself so I'm thin, tanned, and healthy. But I'm also short, small penis, very ugly, and physically unable to exercise much. Women like me as a friend but are never physically attracted. I've had few dates and no sex ever. I feel like I've wasted my 20's and really missed out on the sensual pleasures of life. Seems like a waste when you can get hookers on Craigslist for $60. Lots of single moms paying bills and college girls looking for quick cash. I've been thinking about getting three a week, for $9K/year, which is less than many middle-class people spend on their annual vacation. I could easily afford it. If I stick with the ones who insist on safe sex, and always take precautions, there is little risk of catching anything. It seems like a great solution. The alternative is waiting 10 years for a woman to settle on me for my money. She'd treat me like dirt because women don't respect small, ugly guys. This seems way better. I can feel like a man, really enjoy life, and not be a 30-yr-old virgin.

What do you think? Anybody else do this? Any tips?
16-02-14, 12:30 PM
vashti

My tip is: don't get caught. Also, I don't know what the going rate is, but $60 isn't much money... I'd be careful about renting bargain-priced vaginas.
16-02-14, 01:09 PM
Mattiemae

Really just watched a documenetary on older twins in Amsterdam that did that their whole life. I listened to why they did it, and why men do this, and I can see now your dilema, and why would you do this, so I'm not here to judge. But at the same time there may be a woman somewhere that would love you and accept you for who you are. What are you doing to meet woman? Where do you meet them at? Really it is your choice, but even with condoms you do have the risk of std's, and while your sexual needs are met, what happens if you do find a woman after you've been with the hookers? Will you tell her you've been with them? Really it is very risky! But like I said, I can see they counsel men like you, pillow talk, and meet your needs on some level, but really is it something you want to really do? Especially off craigs list, how do you know what these woman are about mentally? Ha Ha maybe I watch to many Crime Investigation shows too, but there are psycho woman out there, and if they found out you make that much money it can end up very badly. Really there is alot to think about, and money is just no object for you if you can spend 9K a year on a hooker. Just alot of avenue's to meet and date people these days. So what are you doing to network and meet people. You're only thirty so most people do find appropriate partners in their thirties and sometimes their forties. It's just something to really think about, because if a woman does show up in your life, I'm not sure she'd want to date you or be married to you if you've been with alot of hookers. Unless you end up being Pretty woman flick! lol
16-02-14, 03:59 PM
fearoflove

Get a girlfriend who is really into men with money. Some women don't care about guy's looks and is attracted to status and money.
16-02-14, 04:55 PM
confusedguy1012

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Originally Posted by fearoflove [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Get a girlfriend who is really into men with money. Some women don't care about guy's looks and is attracted to status and money.

Ya do that if you get caught having sex with a hooker you could get arrested
17-02-14, 08:55 AM
smackie9

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Originally Posted by JBG [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I'm 29, successful and making six figures. I take care of myself so I'm thin, tanned, and healthy. But I'm also short, small penis, very ugly, and physically unable to exercise much. Women like me as a friend but are never physically attracted. I've had few dates and no sex ever. I feel like I've wasted my 20's and really missed out on the sensual pleasures of life. Seems like a waste when you can get hookers on Craigslist for $60. Lots of single moms paying bills and college girls looking for quick cash. I've been thinking about getting three a week, for $9K/year, which is less than many middle-class people spend on their annual vacation. I could easily afford it. If I stick with the ones who insist on safe sex, and always take precautions, there is little risk of catching anything. It seems like a great solution. The alternative is waiting 10 years for a woman to settle on me for my money. She'd treat me like dirt because women don't respect small, ugly guys. This seems way better. I can feel like a man, really enjoy life, and not be a 30-yr-old virgin.

What do you think? Anybody else do this? Any tips?

If you make 6 figures then why are you looking on craigslist? High class call girls is where you want to be with this. You pay $1000 not for sex but for them to leave and keep their mouth shut. You won't get that for 60 bucks, so stop being a cheap prick.

A good start would be to find a high end rub and tug.
17-02-14, 10:21 AM
JBG

Yup Vashti, you'd want to be discrete and careful about it.

Hi Mattimae, thanks very much for the non-judgmental reply. I've asked out friends and tried online dating. I have no trouble making friends, but they aren't physically attracted. You're right, it would be an issue for most women looking for a relationship. But honestly, if I never told anyone, then it probably wouldn't come up. Haha, you could meet a psycho on Craigslist. You could also meet one on eHarmony. I'm just looking for casual sex, a little friendly pillow talk, and an informal arrangement. With amateurs you don't have to deal with the seedy brothel stuff. You meet in some lady's apartment and trade an hour of her time for grocery money. Nothing wrong with that. What was the name of the documentary you saw?

That's true fearoflife, but would you want to take someone out on dates just so they can spend your money? Rather just go out with female friends and have sex on the side.

Confusedguy, its actually legal because you aren't paying for sex, you're answering a personal ad. Its none of the state's business if two consenting adults meet, hook up, and one gives the other a small gift.

Smackie, why blow $1000 on 2 hours of sex? If you did that twice/week it would cost $100K/year, which is my entire after-tax income. Besides spending a ridiculous amount of money, you'd also be getting some slick pro that would treat you like a mark. She'd act like a porn star and put on a big fake show. I'd much rather pay some nice, averagely cute woman $60-100 for a couple hours of laid-back stuff at her place. She's grateful for some easy money and we have a friendly chat afterwards. Doesn't that sound a lot better to you?
17-02-14, 11:08 AM
Mattiemae

Meet The Fokkens was the title! Ha ha! Well I wish you good luck! I've only talked to a woman who was asked to do that once online, and would have gotten an apartment, gifts, and everything, but she turned it down. Not familiar with it myself, but no the lawyers and big shots back home in the bars do that stuff. I know of it, but never stepped in that arena. Most of them are married. No i'm not judgmental about it, I rather be open minded, and listen and understand why people do what they do. That is why I watched the documentary. It's easy to judge people, but really like in the movie the one sister was being abused by her husband and forced to start doing it to bring money home when she was younger. So we don't always know why until we hear the story of how it happens.
17-02-14, 11:10 AM
smackie9

Suit yourself. I have seen what's on Craigslist for 60 bucks....not so cute, if they were they would be spinning on a pole for way more money. Well I guess beggars can't be choosers.
17-02-14, 11:44 AM
JBG

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Originally Posted by smackie9 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Suit yourself. I have seen what's on Craigslist for 60 bucks....not so cute, if they were they would be spinning on a pole for way more money. Well I guess beggars can't be choosers.

I met one last night. She likes to watch a movie with the guy and not have sex the first time, just to makes sure he's clean and normal. That's free and 'regular dates' are $80 for 2 hours. She was 33 and a 6/10. She doesn't make much $ so she supplements her income and likes the orgasms. She seems laid back and kind. The only one angry about this is you.

I'm a cheap beggar. She should be on a pole getting leered at. You pay expensive hookers to shut up and get out. What's with all the anger? Are you going through a bad time in your own life?
17-02-14, 12:10 PM
smackie9

Hah no not at all. Let us know if the 80 bucks was worth it, that's providing she wants to go along with it.

No my life is awesome, not making 6 figures tho but I don't have to pay for sex either....I guess it's a fair trade off.
17-02-14, 12:30 PM
JBG

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Originally Posted by smackie9 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Hah no not at all. Let us know if the 80 bucks was worth it, that's providing she wants to go along with it.

We talked for a long time, she does, and I'm seeing her tonight.

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No my life is awesome, not making 6 figures tho but I don't have to pay for sex either....I guess it's a fair trade off.

Glad you enjoy your life. Sorry the income touched a nerve. It wasn't bragging, just explaining that this is an affordable hobby. You posted elsewhere that a guy has to be good looking, built, etc to be BF material. If you aren't lucky enough to get those genes, then you shouldn't try to have any fun? Or do you just feel contempt for ugly people? You know that works both ways. You're much better looking, but there's a 99% chance I test in a higher percentile than you. Why not drop the social Darwinism and just treat people with respect, regardless of how genetically lucky they are?
17-02-14, 12:55 PM
smackie9

No you painted yourself in your opening post as lacking those attributes as the reason why you can't get women .....so that was all you. Like fearoflove mentioned there are gold diggers out there that wouldn't care if you were short and ugly as long as you have the money....shouldn't be a problem. But even still you can't get a woman to f uck you.

The key here is your shit attitude about yourself, lack of confidence and a distrust of the female species.....this why you suck.

As for income, my house is paid off so I'm not hurting for money...actually never was to begin with.
17-02-14, 01:19 PM
JBG

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Originally Posted by smackie9 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Like fearoflove mentioned there are gold diggers out there that wouldn't care if you were short and ugly as long as you have the money....shouldn't be a problem. But even still you can't get a woman to f uck you.

Exactly, b/c I did online dating and didn't advertise my income or target gold diggers. Why bother?

Think about something. You have a BF now, right? An outgoing guy who fishes? Would you still want him if he had the same personality but was small and ugly? And couldn't dance well or rock climb b/c a drunk driver ran a light and broke his hip? Get it, yet?

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The key here is your shit attitude about yourself, lack of confidence and a distrust of the female species.....this why you suck.

Thanks, you have a nice day too.
17-02-14, 01:24 PM
Mattiemae

Yes, nothing like insulting people while you give them advice. It's so positive and healthy! Uplifting and inspiring!
17-02-14, 01:33 PM
smackie9

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Originally Posted by Mattiemae [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Yes, nothing like insulting people while you give them advice. It's so positive and healthy! Uplifting and inspiring!

I wasn't insulting I was just pointing out the facts

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Originally Posted by JBG [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

We talked for a long time, she does, and I'm seeing her tonight.

Congratz I hope it works out for you. Keep us updated on your success.
17-02-14, 01:33 PM
Mattiemae

Well I hope he agrees! :)
17-02-14, 01:36 PM
smackie9

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Originally Posted by Mattiemae [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Yes, nothing like insulting people while you give them advice. It's so positive and healthy! Uplifting and inspiring!

[Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
17-02-14, 01:47 PM
Mattiemae

Not quite! :) Most of these people come here for advice, not to be bashed because of the circumstances they're in, there is nothing wrong with treating people with decency and respect.
17-02-14, 02:01 PM
smackie9

I didn't bash him I plainly stated he could do better than began basement (as Vashti mentioned) with his income. Oh well he disagreed what ev.
18-02-14, 12:13 PM
fearoflove

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Originally Posted by JBG [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

That's true fearoflife, but would you want to take someone out on dates just so they can spend your money? Rather just go out with female friends and have sex on the side.

But would those female friends **** you? I don't think so.
I don't understand why you are okay with paying for hookers but not okay with taking a girl out on dates who actually wants a relationship with a wealthy guy.
18-02-14, 06:50 PM
JBG

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Originally Posted by smackie9 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Congratz I hope it works out for you. Keep us updated

It was amazing. She was lonely, she liked the attention, and she can use the money. She didn't charge much and was grateful when I gave her extra. She asked me to come earlier next week so we can have dinner after. I asked her not to fake an orgasm or any of that, and she responded with some genuine affection. She was fun, friendly and sexy. That fact that she was a normal woman made it really satisfying. Some people might disagree, but I thought it was way better than hiring a cold model to act out a porno.

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No you painted yourself in your opening post as lacking those attributes as the reason why you can't get women

I get what you're saying. The end of that first post sounded ugly. I don't treat women like that.

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But would those female friends **** you? I don't think so.

Exactly, so why ask them out and make them feel bad about turning me down?

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Originally Posted by fearoflove [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I don't understand why you are okay with paying for hookers but not okay with taking a girl out on dates who actually wants a relationship with a wealthy guy.

Would you want to go out with a cold, calculating person that fakes interest so they can spend your money? I'd rather go out with real friends and have sex on the side. You probably can't imagine thinking like that because you're good-looking enough that guys want to date you.
20-02-14, 06:50 PM
KristinFromTx

I didn't read everyone's responses to your post, but I have my own questions for you.

1. Why do you think you're ugly?
2. Have you ever tried online dating?

If you're that unhappy with your appearance, why not change it? Get a gym membership (great place to meet girls), maybe a minor plastic surgery to fix what you're insecure about? Paying for sex may satisfy your needs temporarily, but don't you long for a deeper connection with someone who is genuinely interested in you for who you are?

Confidence goes a long way, you should try it.
20-02-14, 09:42 PM
JBG

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1. Why do you think you're ugly?

I'm 5'6", 5x4" penis, 2/10 face and physically can't exercise much. The average guy is 5'10", 6x5", 5/10 and much stronger. Going to the gym would put all the cards in the hands of the guys I'm competing with. I do hike everyday for health.

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2. Have you ever tried online dating?

Yes and it was a complete flop. Most women ruled me out by height or looks. A few agreed to go out and liked me but felt no chemistry. Two said they wanted to just be friends, and actually meant it.

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If you're that unhappy with your appearance, why not change it?

I'm already very lean, healthy and hygenic. But what really matters to women is size, strength and looks. Found that out the hard way.

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Confidence goes a long way, you should try it.

Think about it. Would you date a guy with a good personality and my physical traits? No, but you bet other women would? And if they all say that? Somehow women don't get this. What's worse, if women find out you can't get a girl, most will actually lose respect for you. Its a way of feeling superior while pretending they aren't superficial.
21-02-14, 06:18 AM
KristinFromTx

I understand it's hard for you, and you say you're being "realistic" but I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit. I recently watched a show where a 500+ lb man got a girlfriend, so you can't say that everyone is so vain to go by looks alone. You do seem a little unpersonable, but it's hard to judge someone online. Anyway, I have hope for you and I don't think you should give up. I get it that you're short, but I have dated a man shorter than me, he was 5'4, and the penis issue, you can't really "fix" it but if you find the right woman she will love you no matter what, and there are plenty of toys and other ways to satisfy a lady. I don't believe you're "too ugly" for love, but prove me wrong and post a link to your picture, or send it to me. I'll give you my honest opinion.
21-02-14, 07:05 PM
JBG

Toys sound fun but there's no substitute for being a man and being able to f*** a woman. The size thing really is an issue. I'm 53% of the average volume, so I'm just not large enough to satisfy a woman in normal ways. I asked the one I was with how it honestly felt and she said it was like having two fingers in her, more like masturbation with a friend than sex. She wasn't trying to be mean, so I laughed it off. But wow...

If you don't mind my asking, how "big" was your 5'4" boyfriend? What's a minimum size for you?

I snapped a phone pic. If you send me a PM with your number, I'll send it to you. I took it right after hiking and hadn't shaved, so I thought it might look a little more rugged. I don't think it worked...

The only good thing about me sexually is I can last a really long time, because I have nerve damage that reduces genital sensations.
22-02-14, 06:30 AM
michelle23

If half the men on the jeremy kyle show manage to get a girl then I cannot see why you cant. Maybe drop your standards a little-plenty of insecure, unattractive women out there looking for love too..
22-02-14, 06:53 PM
surfhb2

Yeah....the OPs issue isnt his looks, its the attitude. Sorry but those are just facts.......Proven by the large amounts of bad looking men who seem to have GFs and wives.

Do
22-02-14, 08:22 PM
Sunnybeach7

I think it's unfortunate you have really bad confidence.. maybe your money could be better spent on some therapy. I can almost bet you're not as bad as you make it sound. Personally, I think short guys are cute.. of course, I am short too.. maybe try for a shorter woman. And ugly? really? What are you basing that on? That you're a little overweight?

You are not giving yourself or decent women enough credit. Yes, it is always easier to meet people if you are very attractive.. but that is never the real reason you should be with or stay with someone. What is important is what is on the inside. That is what is important in a long term relationship.. things like money and looks are good to have.. but they are bonuses in my opinion.

I'd been with a couple uglier guys in the past.. but when you get to know and love someone.. you will start seeing things that are attractive in them.

This will probably sound stupid to you, as a man, but you have to really love yourself if you want someone else to love you.. oh that's for everyone.. not just men. You know how a dog can sense fear? Well people sense things too.. and if you don't feel good about yourself, people can sense that too.. and it can make them see you how you feel about yourself.

Stand in front of a mirror and take a good look at yourself... There are things attractive about you.. I can guarantee it.. figure out what those things are and focus on that. Also focus on the things inside that are attractive. Focus on those things when you are on a date, and not the lack of confidence that you usually feel.

Having a hooker here and there I could understand if it's been a long time.. but to use it the way you're talking about.. that's no way to live for someone.. you deserve better than that.

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Originally Posted by JBG [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I'm 5'6", 5x4" penis, 2/10 face and physically can't exercise much. The average guy is 5'10", 6x5", 5/10 and much stronger. Going to the gym would put all the cards in the hands of the guys I'm competing with. I do hike everyday for health.

I'm already very lean, healthy and hygenic. But what really matters to women is size, strength and looks. Found that out the hard way.

Think about it. Would you date a guy with a good personality and my physical traits? No, but you bet other women would? And if they all say that? Somehow women don't get this. What's worse, if women find out you can't get a girl, most will actually lose respect for you. Its a way of feeling superior while pretending they aren't superficial.

Whoa.. that hardly makes you short.. and I wouldn't consider 5x4 small.. more like average... 6x5 is not average I think.. anyway.. it's not the size but what you do with it.. and yes.. I've actually been with a guy before that I swear he had almost nothing.. it was a one time thing.. I got into a relationship with someone else shortly afterward.. but he was better than almost any guy I've been with.

Yes and it was a complete flop. Most women ruled me out by height or looks. A few agreed to go out and liked me but felt no chemistry. Two said they wanted to just be friends, and actually meant it.

You are assuming? Did they actually say that? It may have been your lack of confidence or fear of what they think of you that made them feel funny or something.

Yes.. if I was single I would. Not everyone is the same.. maybe many women can be narrow minded.. but not all of them.

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You can last a long time.. but you think you can't satisfy a woman? Do you know that the most sensitive area inside a woman is only about 2" in? And that most women can't reach orgasm without clitoral stimulation anyway?
23-02-14, 08:22 AM
smackie9

A man's true strength is shown through personality, confidence and self worth.......that's why ugly fat guys can still get a wife.
23-02-14, 12:54 PM
JBG

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Originally Posted by Sunnybeach7 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

"And ugly? really? What are you basing that on? That you're a little overweight?"

Its ok, but you missed the 2nd sentence of the OP:

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"I take care of myself so I'm thin, tanned, and healthy."

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"There are things attractive about you.. figure out what those things are and focus on that."

I eat a macrobiotic diet, walk 90 min/day and sleep 8 hrs/night. I take better care of myself than 90% of adults. But its pointless b/c I'm 5'6", 'small', bony and ugly. You seem really nice, but you haven't seen me. Women are bored when I kiss them. Most are too superficial to feel anything.

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"5x4 small.. more like average... 6x5 is not average I think."

US average is 6x5. 5x4 is 53% of normal volume. If you measure it out with cloth tape you'll get an idea of how big your bfs were. Are you sure your 'almost nothing' guy wasn't my size?

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"You are assuming? Did they actually say that?"

They said no guys < 5'8".

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" but you think you can't satisfy a woman?"

You're one of the very few not obsessed with girth.

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"Not everyone is the same."

You're right. You probably wouldn't enjoy this, but I'm fine with it. It's practical, healthy and fun. I'll have more girls than any of these 'alpha' guys. Maybe when I've had as many women as Keith Richards I'll settle down. By which point I'll be totally relaxed and great in bed. Thanks for your thoughtful post.