hypnotic dating.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

What's an 'anchor trap'?

I sort of get what you say, but disagree about rigid thinkers letting their feelings take over. I'd say its the exact opposite problem. That situations that could easily be resolved with a certain level of emotional intuition get muddled b/c of an attempt to rationalize an irrational situation.

Emotions are a lower brain function. Rational thinking is a higher brain function. The two aren't always congruent. In fact, they are often inversely proportional. Or is that what you meant?

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From what I understand, anchor means getting you emotionally hooked on something. This can be done with anything. Do you have a favourite brand of ice cream? Of coffee? Cereal? Why do you keep on going back to this particular brand over and over again instead of the other products? How does it make you feel when you have it? The manufacturer anchored you to their product. You have a certain feeling when you taste their brand, it's sometimes even imposible to explain it, but you come back to it over and over again because of that feeling.

Feelings are irrational and we all experience them. Including what you call rigid rational thinkers. There is no way out of it. What I meant that a certain level of emotional awareness and intuition is requried (As well as logical thinking) to pick up this anchoring process. You need alarm bells to set off you conscious thought, if you don't have them you will get hooked like everyone else. And I think if level of emotional awareness and intuition are fairly low, you can fall very hard for it.

Anchor trap is easy. I have done it. Its just that you get the opposite person emotionally high on the peak and then anchor it with some specific move, like scratch neck. Subconcious mind records it and remembers the mood every time the move is repeated, just don't overdo it. If you look around, this actually applies in everyday life very often, things we don't really notice but that influence our mood. The more direct way to look at it is by music, which is also the remind of some feeling, mood.

People also want people who are similar to them. And this is beyond same interest and talkie shit. Talk is actually secondary, most of the attraction is still achieved visually. It starts from simple open/crossed arms to some very little details which give people away. Thats how we sence if someone is lying, being sad or happy, etc.

Okay, you mean 'association'. As in classical conditioning. Okay, I get it. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

From what I understand, anchor means getting you emotionally hooked on something. This can be done with anything. Do you have a favourite brand of ice cream? Of coffee? Cereal? Why do you keep on going back to this particular brand over and over again instead of the other products? How does it make you feel when you have it? The manufacturer anchored you to their product. You have a certain feeling when you taste their brand, it's sometimes even imposible to explain it, but you come back to it over and over again because of that feeling.

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Interesting Mish. I read this & I realized that in our home we actually have very few brand preferences, at least few 'stable' brands that you would call 'anchored'. I think it may have to do with the fact that we don't watch television in our home. And the fact that I hate to shop, lol. Most of our purchases have to do with quality or other criteria (e.g. organically, locally, or 'fair trade' produced).

I suppose the closest anchor I can come up with is 'Mac' for our electronics. But even then, we would dump them as soon as something better comes along, so there's little emotional component.

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Feelings are irrational and we all experience them. Including what you call rigid rational thinkers. There is no way out of it. What I meant that a certain level of emotional awareness and intuition is requried (As well as logical thinking) to pick up this anchoring process. You need alarm bells to set off you conscious thought, if you don't have them you will get hooked like everyone else. And I think if level of emotional awareness and intuition are fairly low, you can fall very hard for it.

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This is the 'something isn't quite right' sense. Yes, I know what you mean. I experience this at work with employees who have things going sideways before we quite know why.

Are you saying the same sense is used with detecting these 'anchors'? That's useful information for ppl to know. But it also implies something is 'wrong' with using the process if you need alarm bells for it, right? ;)

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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Feelings are irrational and we all experience them.

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I've disagreed with this for a long time. Years, in fact. My opinion, FWIW is this:

Certain feelings can be rational, for example, intense fear in the presence of a serious threat could be considered an entirely rational feeling. Other examples, like feeling joy in the presence of good events, or humor in response to a funny situation are considered 'appropriate' or 'rational'.

Some feelings, however, such as intense anger at humour or fear in the absence of a real threat, can be considered irrational b/c they are not considered 'appropriate' to the situation.

When 'rational feelings' occur, there is usually no conflict. We have congruency between an event & the feeling, which leads quickly to an effective emotional resolution & physical response if necessary.

When 'irrational feelings' occur, however, there is often conflict. The lack of congruency between the event & the feeling causes a 'crossing of wires' with two systems, rational & emotional, fighting for dominance. In these cases, it is usually best to first address the underlying emotion (even if 'irrational') before attempting a rational solution to the situation. Because in most cases of this sort you won't be able to attempt a solution without either suppressing or addressing the emotion.

Does this make sense? In a nutshell, in 'emotionally charged' situations, its always safest to try to address the underlying feelings of a situation first. Or, as I like to say, 'when emotions go up, intellect goes down'.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

But it also implies something is 'wrong' with using the process if you need alarm bells for it, right? ;)

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Not neccesarily wrong. Some people would consciously want it to happen so they will remove any blocks. If a girl likes a guy in the room, if he approaches her she will try to remove any conscious blocks and allow herself to get hooked because he seems like a good prospect and this will make it easier for the two to get hooked up later on. She will do that because she will want the experience and there's nothing wrong with that.

Some people may want not get hooked because they may want to keep the interaction under control and keep their feelings in check. For example a married guy with an attractive single girl, may want to keep his feelings under control and not let it get out of hand, he wouldn't want to be in a position where he thinks about her over and over again.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Certain feelings can be rational, for example, intense fear in the presence of a serious threat could be considered an entirely rational feeling. Other examples, like feeling joy in the presence of good events, or humor in response to a funny situation are considered 'appropriate' or 'rational'.

Some feelings, however, such as intense anger at humour or fear in the absence of a real threat, can be considered irrational b/c they are not considered 'appropriate' to the situation.

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Exactly Indi :)

Look at your choice of words. "Apropriate" / "Apropriate to the situation". What's appropriate and not appropriate are illusionary constructs put in place by social standards. It's very easy to feel sad when you "should" be happy. It's very easy to feel happy when you "should" be sad. There's an obvious conflict between rationality and feelings. Feelings are hard to rationalize. It's hard to explain why we feel the way we feel, when we "should" be feeling something else. They are also hard to control. If a feeling needs to come out, rationaly or irrationaly you can bet your body will find a way for it to happen.

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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

how would one maintain that? can you maintain it?

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Before we look at that, do you seriously want to do this to guys?

As you think about that.. there's an interesting aspect of dating people overlook..

At some point in dating, or getting to know the person..

1. You develop trust and comfort
2. You turn off your logic and stop thinking about things, because there's too much to keep logical track of, your mind can't keep up, it gets overloaded
3. You now start to explore alternate, secondary, deeper, more creative and personal meanings behind the conversation (initiating your unconscious)

Now, in between step 1 and 3, as mentioned before, the person who's getting you through those steps (be it intentionally or unintentionally) is anchoring themselves to those emotions and the feeling of being in step-3.. Step 3 is usually some step you enjoy being in, an emotion you like, you like feeling, and thus naturally allow yourself to experience it deeper and more powerfully with this person..

But, in doing so, everything about this person starts to slowly become the anchor, and fire off the anchor! As you're looking at him speak, into his eyes, his face, his smile, his lips, while he's talking to you and the sound of his deep, heavy and rich voice slowly lands and penetrates deep into your years.. and as the flirting gets hotter and the touching gets more intimate, all of that is anchoring those feel-good-emotions/feeling in place.. and at the same time, are being fired off to recall those feelings..

In a very simple case, when a hypnotist is speaking to his/her client, and induces a trance, the hypnotist's voice & speech patterns (speed, usage of language, rhythm, etc) become the anchor! This is the hypnotist speaking in his/her hypnotic voice, which is quite different from his/her regular/normal voice.. Even when the client comes out of trance, all the hypnotist needs to do is speak in his/her hypnotic voice again to get the client into a trance.. That being the case, all the hypnotist needs to do is just anchor the trance to his/her hypnotic voice, and keep talking in his/her hypnotic voice to maintain trance..

Now, let's come back and focus on dating.. two people, a guy and a girl, sitting in some coffee shop, with music playing low in the backround, talking about "stuff".. smiling, laughing, flirting, touching, we know how these things can get.. But as these feel-good emotions/feelings get anchored, and assuming nothing is done to create negative feelings, this anchor will just keep firing off, and getting re-anchored to form a stronger anchor.. and then the two people will eventually have to part with eachother..

Here's where it gets interesting.. notice what's going on when they're no longer around eachother.. There's no anchor there to fire off those feelings.. but their unconscious wants to feel those good feelings.. and so it sends the thought of that anchor (the other person) to the concsious mind.. and eventually, the conscious mind will "make the free choice" to either call or see the other person again.. (because they're now addicted to this feel-good feeling, and in order to get that instantly fired off, they need that anchor triggered, and everything about the other person is that anchor).. I'm sure we've all had situations where you just can't get the other person out of your head.. where that's the only thing you can think about.. and how you feel during that time, when you hear their voice over the phone, or see their face, or have them touch you.. Even anything faintly related to this anchor may even be enough to fire it off for some people.. such as a missed call from that person, or a long-awaited e-mail that get's you all happy and excited, because it reminds you of how good you feel with them..

Now, anchors are not this magical thing they're all cut out to be.. Fire an anchor enough times, (without the actual feel-good-feeling/emotion following up) and the anchor will be less effective the next time.. You can litterally lose the effect of the anchor when you do this..

Example: You have a wonderful night with someone.. They call you the next day.. You see their call and you get happy, you hear their voice and you get happy.. and you arrange a date.. They call you again.. and again.. and again.. and again.. and once more in case that wasn't enough.. And you speak for hours on end before you meet up to go back out on a date.. Now, Friday comes and it's time for your date.. and they call you.. and you talk to them.. and you're feeling as if you're really not as thrilled and excited as you were in the beginning of the week.. what happened? The anchor is now weak, or just not there anymore..

So, anchoring is an effective way to keep those feel-good emotions and feelings and hightened states locked into place for when you need them.. and it doesn't have to be as complex as point-anchoring, YOU being the anchor is both simple and effective enough.. there's nothing more intoxicating than to have the other person fall immediately into an altered-feel-good state when they see you, hear you, feel you, or smell you.. or even just think about YOU.. because YOU are a concept and idea in their mind, which represents many things.. and of those many things, are those feelings of how it feels like to be in that altered state around you and how great you feel around this person.. when this concept and idea of YOU is connected with this feel-good state and emotions.. you don't really need much else in terms of anchoring..

There are anchoring techniques to anchor the emotions and feelings of "fear of loss of pleasure" to things and concepts such as a "door" (which is something you come across many times in a day), so as you can imagine, if you're not around your source of pleasure (the other person) and you're around a door.. you're constantly feeling this fear of loss, not wanting to have the other person walk out of your life forever..

But self-anchoring is really the capstone of step-3..

I'm not all pro-step-4, because quite honestly, it can get a bit evil.. But here are some fun things to try with guys (since you're a woman) once you feel they're in step-3..

- "They were showing on TV the other day, how arousal works for guys.. I thought it was so interesting how it's not just flat-out sexual like I always thought it was.. I mean, he can just be sitting there, and as he's listening to a woman's voice, or looking at her, and obviously as she's touching him.. it was showing how the blood just start to rush into the penis, filling it up slowly.. how the heart just starts to pump faster, and how your breathing starts to change, and as you notice these things happen.. and as it's getting harder.., to pay attention to all these things.. how the focus just shifts from one head to the other.., going down.. feeling her touch on his hand (you can touch him if you want) gently stroking it, all you can think about is her.. below you, you start to feel it.., and all you can think about is the throbbing, and how it's getting harder.. with me, I always thought it was less complicated and had less thinking involved, but it really opened up my eyes to how it must feel like; does it really feel that way; now, honesty tell me what you think as a guy.."

:evil: Now, make sure you're either in his apt, or in the hotel lobby when you have this little wonder uttered through your lips.. ;)

Best,

GrkScorp

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Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

penetrates deep

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Heh heh

You said "Penetrates Deep"

I picked up on it

thanks gskorp.

actually i was just trying it on anybody, not just a guy. i'd like to try it out on somebody at work. a lot of people call me with problems and issues more often than not, and i'd like to just be able to calm them down with my voice.

i understand you can do that, but you have to have the imagery or some other kind of association in their mind.

the guy on that video took her to her favorite vacation spot. how do you guess what is a good association for that person?

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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

thanks gskorp.

actually i was just trying it on anybody, not just a guy. i'd like to try it out on somebody at work. a lot of people call me with problems and issues more often than not, and i'd like to just be able to calm them down with my voice.

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Ahh, thats the easy bit. You don't need to hypnotize somebody to make the calm down. I do it at work all the time (For people with problems). Just approach them calmly with calm slow paced voice. Be calm and unthreatening. Then smile and look into their eyes. Say something simple "How can I help you?" Then listen to them with lots of eye ocntact. If they're shaking use your hands to calm them, put your hands on their shoulders. Say a joke or humour them. If it's someone you know, you could even exagerate their panic. "You look like there was an explosion? Is everybody okay? Did you call 911?" Facial expression in shape of alert. You're mirroring their state, but over acting. Their problem wasn't this bad, their posture is timid in comparison to yours, they can feel safe, they can relax now.

but i want to put someone in a trance.

like the way that guy in the video did it. he just put some sort of scene in her mind.

i'd like to try it on my bf too just for giggles u know?

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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

but i want to put someone in a trance.

like the way that guy in the video did it. he just put some sort of scene in her mind.

i'd like to try it on my bf too just for giggles u know?

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I see, I know what you mean. You want to experiment and play ;)

I think Scorp is a better authority on this one

so while i was watching those vids gskorp posted for me, i ran into this guy...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6mrfWp6_w&NR=1"]YouTube - Comfort Building[/ame]

thought he had some good advice. he certainly made me understand the fears that guys have (not in that vid i just posted in others of his) about talking to girls.

he claims the fear is:

20%- if you mess with the wrong girl, her clan will have you killed. (based on evolutionary theory.)

80%- if you mess up with a girl, she's gonna go tell all the other girls that might have been available for you and she's gonna blow your chances.

interesting.

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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

thought he had some good advice. he certainly made me understand the fears that guys have (not in that vid i just posted in others of his) about talking to girls.

he claims the fear is:

20%- if you mess with the wrong girl, her clan will have you killed. (based on evolutionary theory.)

80%- if you mess up with a girl, she's gonna go tell all the other girls that might have been available for you and she's gonna blow your chances.

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Mystery, my little brother is hooked on this guy, his advice is good, his look throws me off a little bit though.. most of his stuff sounds very similar to D'Angelo's seminar.. (not to imply he stole it or anything, but it's not something too new)

The percentages are not accurate, because the bulk of the fear in the second one, is not that she'll reject you.. it's the preventive fear of that..

- The fear that you are not good enough for her to accept, and that might cause her to reject you, which will in turn cause her to go back to her friends, which will in turn cause your genes to be locked out..

All that translates to then, is the bulk of a guy's fear, being a preventive fear of that second case.. "insecurity", poor self-awareness, esteem, acceptance and satisfaction of who you are, knowing your value and being comfortable with who you are and what you have to offer; "confident" that (1). you're not going to get rejected (2). if you happen to get rejected, it's not for the reason you may think you got rejected, it was really her misjudgment or her need for validation that caused the rejection, which in either case, means that it's her loss; and you're actually better off because (a) you're not with her, and (b) you have just learned from the whole experience

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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

but i want to put someone in a trance

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You put someone in a trance every day..

There are levels of trance:

- Waking trance
- Light trance
- Medium trance
- Deep trance

As you're reading this, try and notice how different you're feeling compared to let's say..., when you weren't reading this, or when you weren't even on LF.. You're in complete control of yourself.. you're still fully aware of what you're thinking, what you're doing, and your body.. you're fully aware and in control of these things as you're reading this.. so you definitely can't say that you're in a deep trance now can you? But you can definitely notice that you're in some level of trance as you're reading this.. and it doesn't have to get deeper..

Trance takes place in between being absolutely fully conscious and perfectly aware, and being in deep sleep.. in between all that, some aspect of your conscious mind is turned off, and some aspect of your unconscious is working, taking over.. and as this is happening.. what you're feeling, is yourself falling into trance.. With waking trance, it's hard to know exactly when you're in waking trance.. because you're ALWAYS in some place between being fully conscious/perfectly aware and in deep sleep..

Light trances are small departures from full conscious awareness.. you may have already been experiencing and feeling yourself going into light trance naturally.. while driving your car, thinking about what you have to get done, about other things, listening to the music, and before you know it, you're at your destination, but have no idea how time just happened to fly; because while your conscious mind was busy with all these other things, your unconscious mind took over the driver's seat, and started driving, so you wouldn't get killed, and alerting your conscious if there was a situation that placed you in danger, if you're still reading, I can imagine that there was never such a situation..

Medium trances are more uncommon.. it would be dangerous to drive if you're in a medium trance, because your conscious mind can't take over quickly enough, and you might find yourself in a serious accident if that's the case.. (which is usually the case in most accidents, people falling into a deeper trance, letting their mind wonder, and then find themselves unable to react quickly enough and regain conscious thought fast enough to prevent an accident)

In deep trance, you're practically sleeping.. This is the type of trance everyone is familiar with and thinks about when they hear or think "hypnosis".. The conscious mind is shut off, and the unconscious mind is practically fully dominating a person's thought process; making suggestions at this level of trance is as simple as giving orders or direct commands (unless the unconscious can rationalize that the suggestion is NOT beneficial or is even harmful for the person)

With someone like your boyfriend.. unless you mention (I want to hypnotize you), you already have a sense of trust established.. after that, it's a simple matter of overloading the conscious mind..

- A friend of mine today, back from high school, was telling us something her boyfriend's sister was watching yesterday on ____ with her, she was telling us how.. (woah! slow down, who, what, where? when you say "she" it's largely unclear who you're talking about.. there are so many details to focus on, the conscious mind has too much to work with, it's overloaded and needs help, that's where the unconscious comes in to make some sense of the situation)

- I don't know if you feel that way, or ever thought about it like that, or just never thought about it exactly like that, or maybe didn't feel like thinking about it the way you thought about how it would feel like.. (as you think about what exactly that means, notice how hard it is to make sense of that, how your unconscious is trying to assemble the puzzle together to make some sense or meaning out of what your conscious is failing to do.. this open-ended logic, or rather lack of logic, shuts down the conscious, and calls forth the unconscious mind to take over.. when you're in this state, it's extremely easy to start doing things like breathing manually again for instance or start laughing about how much more suggestable you are now that your unconscious is starting to take over)

I'll stop.. but the point is.. if you want to induce a trance, and you already have trust & comfort in place.. it's just a matter of shutting down/overloading the conscious, and calling forth the unconscious.. You can do this with open-ended logic/no-logic.. which the conscious can't deal with, so it automatically calls for the unconscious.. OR, you can do it with non-conscious inputs..

Examples: Visual images & lighting, music, smells, body sensations.. People fall into light/medium trance naturally when they are listening to music and allow themselves to get lost.. or looking at pictures of a travel, pool, decorating magazine, or being in a field of flowers, or going into a warm hot-tub and having the jets massage your body with that relaxing stream of bubbles and water..

What Ross Jeffries and other people do, is actually overload the conscious mind with the "idea" of these inputs, and let the person come up with their own details inside their mind, until they overload it themselves.. and in order to enjoy their fantasy on a deeper level, and get lost in it in the privacy of their own mind, their unconscious is called forth.. allowing them to feel and enjoy that situation on a much fuller, richer, and deeper level..

You can see on your own, for yourself, how you can start to combine all these things, and ask your boyfriend what some of his fantasies are.. letting him explore some of them.. and just tell him to think about one, it can be anyone he likes.. and to just think about it.. who's there, what you're wearing, he doesn't have to tell you, just think about it.. what music is playing, if the lights are on or off, what you look like, what he's wearing, what he's doing, what you guys were doing before you were about to play out this fantasy, what you're doing now, where he wants to be touched.. no talking out loud, just thinking about it.. and then as he's doing this.. you can transition to the little pattern I made for you (about what you were watching on the discovery channel.. and as you transition to this, you can add in the "my friend.. conscious overload, to keep his conscious mind off-line".. and you'll notice that just by talking.. you caused his body to get in a highly sexual state, you caused an erection (or in women, getting them wet).. just with words.. just with allowing his unconscious mind to enjoy the "idea" of his fantasy, and your touch, and what you're doing to him.. and then combining that with a list of subtle indirect suggestions through a pattern that will implant those ideas in this mind, and cause him to feel a certain way through his unconscious.. and he'll want to explore that feeling, because that feeling feels good..

But that's a matter of making indirect suggestions.. trance induction occured the moment you took his conscious mind off-line.. and allowed his unconscious mind to take over so he can enjoy those feelings on a much deeper level..

P.S. if you're interested, PM me, and i'll recommend a great book on trance induction, which is simple to read, and does a great job of organizing the entire process from beginning to end..

Best,

GrkScorp