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It really amuzes me how little people in this country know about the WWII. Why don't you get a book and read how GERMAN people were treated by the their superiors. How their families were shot if they refused to follow Hitler, how all the women were raped and regular Germans had to raise kids who were not theirs. Please people get your facts straight before forming an opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by lovesjoyajm [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Could you please elaborate on the Israel situation? As a person who lived there, and has a ton of family and friends there, this is the first time I hear of "Israelis have closed the border and have prevented ppl from getting enough food and medicine"Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And please stop berating me for having a differing opinion than yours. I'm not an idiot who knows nothing. I did study German culture and history as my major, and have formed my opinions based on what I have learned and experienced (including, yes, BOOKS). Considering I chose not only to live in Germany for a year, but come back for a second year, I hardly have it out for the Germans, so chill the f*ck out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indignant [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
No, I'm not saying it would've been easy or safe for normal German civilians to raise more protest, and yes, those who did were generally punished harshly (Die Weiße Rose, for instance), but that's the definition of protest.
oh snap she just said chill the fuk out aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajahajaajahjajaaaa.
Oh man it looks way worse when it's bleeped out like that...
You are kidding, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Indignant [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
She's talking about the way the western media portrays the border closings into Gaza.
you are completely contradicting yourself, babe. and Vashti what are you thanking her for? i mean you have to be completely bipolar to say those two completely different things:Quote:
Originally Posted by lovesjoyajm [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
the German people were hardly innocent bystanders through the 12 years Hitler was in power. Sure, some put up resistance, but the majority went along blindly.
I'm not saying it would've been easy or safe for normal German civilians to raise more protest, and yes, those who did were generally punished harshly (Die Weiße Rose, for instance)
no, i am not kidding. i would like some explanation please. she said nothing about the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5338014.ece[/url]Quote:
Originally Posted by Indignant [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
This is just one article of many. Do a search. Even Israels regular supporters were appalled at what's happened this month. FYI, we aren't ignorant either. We had a palastinian refuge student for a few years AND we have jewish friends. Its sure interesting to hear *both* sides of the issue.
I see no contradiction. The only point of (minor) contention I would add was her statement that the majority went along "blindly". If they were blind, they were simply refusing to look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indignant [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
As for the media's portrayal of Israeli politics, which obviously shapes the way the western world views Israel, I will let Indi explain it. I am quite shocked you don't know what she is talking about.
i don't see what's surprising. this is what israel has been doing for a long time. it's only wrong when the media says it's wrong.
Israel says it will open the borders again when Hamas stops launching rockets at southern Israel. Hamas says it will crack down on the rocket launchers when Israel opens the borders.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
what side are you on Indi and Vashti?
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Originally Posted by Indignant [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Israel, of course.
I can't open that link.
Cut the condescending shit, ok? Where do you see a contradiction? Let me clarify what I was pointing out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Indignant [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
The vast majority of German people did not actively protest against the Nazi government. A very small percentage, however, did, and yes,
those who did were generally punished harshly (Die Weiße Rose, for instance). I do not suggest that protesting would have been an easy option.
The second (orange) statement was intended to demonstrate that I am not ignorant of the dangers that existed if one did choose to undermine National Socialist efforts, as you seem to assume everyone (besides yourself) is.
Yeah, I didn't mean it that way. They WEREN'T blind to what was going on - which makes it all the more reprehensible to turn a blind eye.Quote:
The only point of (minor) contention I would add was her statement that the majority went along "blindly". If they were blind, they were simply refusing to look.
Wow, those fanatics were using the star of david to desecrate Palestinian tomb stones the same way a white supremacist would use a swastika.
I support their removal. Though, I think it's too bad Israel did it, and not the Palestinians.