guys do a lot of work

[Tone]

Then turn gay and you won't have to worry about asking women out - you can let guys ask you out.

The majority of the time, men ask women out.. why? cause we're men. Just get over it and stop bitching, it's not going to make women want to ask you out. What do you hope to accomplish? Congress to pass a law that says women must equally ask out men?

[NeoSeminole]

Tone, I do not have a problem asking girls out. I can see why some guys might have a problem with girls who never approach guys. It's frustrating to get rejected over and over again. My comment was meant to show why it's unfair for guys to do all the work approaching girls. It would save a lot of time and embarrassment if they would take initiative sometimes. I'm not saying girls should ask guys out as often as vice versa. If voicing my opinion makes girls less attracted to me, then so be it. I am not attracted to simpletons.

[whaywardj]

I know you don't get it, so I won't waste my time to explain. AGAIN.

Hm. A little too much coffee lately, Bluesummer?

[whaywardj]

None of you guys really want women to take more initiative. You only THINK you do. Imagine how things would be if they DID? All of you guys would be either a) stalking around trying to keep tabs on "your" woman (trying to make sure no other guy was "despoiling your property"), or b) wringing your hands with each other in "coping" groups, trying to understand why "your" women were so insensitive to your needs.

Furthermore, you don't really want it because, if they were to, you'd have one less arena in which to flex your muscles and beat on your ego-ridden chests at each other over how great a set of conquerers you all are.

Stop bullshitting yourselves. What you REALLY want is to lay on your back, preferably half-asleep, and get cum-swallowing blow jobs from women more frequently than you are.

[misombra]

HA! exactly.

AND i asked my boyfriend out. yes i did. i chased him and told him "you're my boyfriend" and here is in my house all the time. all he had to do was be the sweet cake he is.

[bluesummer]

None of you guys really want women to take more initiative. You only THINK you do. Imagine how things would be if they DID? All of you guys would be either a) stalking around trying to keep tabs on "your" woman (trying to make sure no other guy was "despoiling your property"), or b) wringing your hands with each other in "coping" groups, trying to understand why "your" women were so insensitive to your needs.

Furthermore, you don't really want it because, if they were to, you'd have one less arena in which to flex your muscles and beat on your ego-ridden chests at each other over how great a set of conquerers you all are.

Stop bullshitting yourselves. What you REALLY want is to lay on your back, preferably half-asleep, and get cum-swallowing blow jobs from women more frequently than you are.

You are like, one of the few men on here that understand the nature of your own gender.

[whaywardj]

None of you guys really want women to take more initiative. You only THINK you do. Imagine how things would be if they DID? All of you guys would be either a) stalking around trying to keep tabs on "your" woman (trying to make sure no other guy was "despoiling your property"), or b) wringing your hands with each other in "coping" groups, trying to understand why "your" women were so insensitive to your needs.

Furthermore, you don't really want it because, if they were to, you'd have one less arena in which to flex your muscles and beat on your ego-ridden chests at each other over how great a set of conquerers you all are.

Stop bullshitting yourselves. What you REALLY want is to lay on your back, preferably half-asleep, and get cum-swallowing blow jobs from women more frequently than you are.

This topic got buried. I wanted to revive it long enough to get some reponses to it, particularly from Bluesummer, who seemed to have the strongest feelings about the idea.

[bluesummer]

bluesummer, girls hardly ask guys out. I think most guys will agree with me. If you don't believe me, then answer this question: if every guy suddenly stopped asking girls out, do you think the number of couples would stay the same? Hell no. I dont know how this is equal.
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Well, you'll have to excuse my ignorance then. I must travel in a pack of unusually aggressive, confident girls that have no problem going after what they want (like myself). I've never once stood around and waited for a guy to approach me, and nor has any friend of mine.....so maybe my perspective is skewed based on my personal social surroundings. Who knows.

My comment about you sounding a bit chauvinist was also based on personal experience....most of the men I've met that make comments about women being manipulative or 'causing drama' or 'crying over stupid shit' (this is out of YOUR post) and implying that MOST women do this, are exactly that. Also, please don't assume I need to have my choice of words defined for me. I have three years of university english (with A's to boot). I'm not exactly what you'd call dense.

These comments were written merely in the spirit of friendly argument. Good day to you!

[whaywardj]

You are like, one of the few men on here that understand the nature of your own gender.

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[bball_1523]

I don't believe there's a right answer here and anyone who does, it's their own OPINION.

It would be sweet if some women were more active with guys, but right now we just gotta live with it. I have been lucky enough to have a couple girls introduce themselves to me, and I find that great!

[misombra]

so what exactly is your point?

[whaywardj]

hehe. Hiya, sombra.

[wwefan300]

Girls ask guys out all the time, so I really don't understand what all the bitching is about. What I hate is whiny ass men who complain about having to ask chicks out. If you don't have the balls to do it, and no girls are interested enough in you to ask you out, then be single. What the hell should the rest of the normally functioning world care.

Woah woah i don't care i just saw this and i said to myself "i have to say something". Im not being mean or anything but don't say that men whine because look at it from this view. Men always have to ask the women right? well sometimes Women don't get how much it takes for a guy to step up.

Truth is Girls don't ask the guy out i believe like a small population does ask the guy out. Truth is Guy's have to ask the Girl out most of the time. Im not whining but im saying that it's hard to ask the Women out sometimes and i don't think most of those women relise that.

[misombra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw could we be any more whiney? i feel sooooooooooooooooo bad for you guys lol.

[whaywardj]

You know, wwefan, I DO empathize with your point, but I have to say, it's precisely that reluctance which telegraphs to a wicked woman the opening she can sink her fangs in. They realize it. Some even COUNT on it. Get OVER it.