Why do hot girls wanna be hot (and why are they so shallow?)

[Tiay]

@Tiay: I do creepy things so others don't have to, haha. Our final 'report' was really just "Okay, they're pretty much all shallow." The last girl made it really clear. We really just did it for ourselves, for fun kinda. I felt kind of strange lying to these girls, but the end results made up for it. As for labels, are you talking about my "four types" of girls? I mean, there are more types, but we just decided to find four of them.

You're not following. You don't need more labels! Labels have their uses but ultimately they are not accurate. Especially if you're judging your entire image of them on their myspace page. get real here. Yes it's interesting and it's cool that you did it, but keep your feet on the ground man.

If it means having to be extraordinarily attractive to make up for not having a personality other than "party" or "drunk", then why would someone want to be "hot".

'cos that's what people do! make up for their flaws with something else. Many girls literally get TOLD by their sisters/mothers/tv/magazines/etc.; "you need x makeup for x flaw on your face/skin/whatever". I'd say it's those that *lack* confidence that'd be susceptible to that.

anyways, your perspective is skewed on that. You have a specific definition of "hot" and to you it isn't appealing.

Paris Hilton killed "hot". If I'm attracted to a girl, she's either cute, pretty, beautiful, adorable, or lovely.

really? that's kinda creepy. What was your definition of "hot" again? makeup fake tan being shallow etc. whereas to me hot just means.. y'know, physically attractive, especially in a sexual sort of way (whereas 'cute' sounds more innocent), and isn't tied to wearing makeup or anything like that.

You generally sound like a nice person, but I certainly wouldn't stop talking to someone if someone more attractive came along.

Don't be taking the moral highground. You have and you will do this. You may not even notice. But seriously, you've probably ignored people at parties/whatever in order to talk to the girl you liked most. People have probably tried to befriend you and you didn't reciprocate because you didn't like them for whatever reason- You don't usually see stunningly beautiful people in relationships with ugly people unless they have some amazingly redeeming quality- choosing the most attractive partner is a fundamental part of.. well, actually, of all mammalian mating rituals.
It's been shown that the athletes with the most symmetric ears run faster. People have correctly predicted the outcome of a race by looking at nothing but photocopies of the athlete's hands.
There are very good reasons we seek certain qualities- so that our offspring will be able to outrun that lion and therefore pass on our symmetric-face-seeking genes. It's how evolution works, for crying out loud. It is just inescapable. Given the choice between two guys who are identical except one is more attractive, we WILL go for the more attractive.

Now, when it comes to friendships rather than relationships, looks shouldn't matter that much. so i'm thinking that girl was more looking for a relationship. Even so, it's not like she *really* "stopped talking to someone" I mean seriously, all she did was have a short myspace convo, it's not such a big deal to drop that- there's not a whole lot of investment there to begin with. It's not like if this guy you made up was real, he'd be heartbroken that some girl he never met and only talked to a few times for less than a month or so stopped talking to him.

What if you met a guy who was more attractive than your boyfriend, with the same personal qualities as him? Would you think of the new guy as a hardware upgrade?

if it were purely about the physical, yes, but as Frasbee explained way better than I could, there's just so much more to it than that.

You'll never get a girl like that to admit that they lack confidence. They may step all over you for being less attractive before you get a chance to exploit that flaw within them. If I approached that kind of girl, she may be more uninterested in the fact that I don't speak "party" rather than being afraid of my intelligence level.

what's that? she'll step all over you for being less attractive? Sounds like something someone would do if they're actually deeply self-conscious about their looks to make themselves feel better. "Bullies are cowards". Just saying, you were asking why they are that way, right?

And I do have some very attractive female friends who have great personalities, and who are very funny girls. Unfortunately, they are taken. But they are dating the average, nice guys, even though they could probably get anyone they wanted.

I'm not sure i'm following. They're attractive, nice, funny, etc. and dating nice guys who aren't incredibly attractive or incredibly ugly. sounds about right to me.
anyways, there's more women than men in the population ^.^
also, I remember reading this somewhere in an article.. some woman got married, and all her friends thought, oh, she could do better. He wasn't Brad Pitt, wasn't the life of the party, wasn't a genius, etc.. he was just a genuine nice guy who really loved her and would do anything for her. those are qualities that you can't see from the outside.

[miSSleepy]

Alright, I’ve actually been sussing out this thread for a few days now, never actually getting the chance or time to reply to it in detail, so here it goes now.

I’ll first start pointing out that your experiment is flawed, mainly because:

- only 16 girls were tested (all from America, right?) That is a very small and specific population.
- each guy had different girls (you need to have some overlapping first because you can’t come to a conclusion while referring to all these girls as a collective. They’re all individuals believe it or not. You have to compare ONE girl’s reaction to several different types, not several different girls’ reactions to several different guys. To give a simplified example: you can’t have a cool guy and a nice guy, each with a hot girl, and then say that hot girls are shallow because the nice guy got rejected by his hot girl. What if the cool guy’s hot girl wouldn’t have rejected the nice guy?)
- It was all MySpace interaction. Some people act very differently on MySpace and you’re not going to get accurate representations of anyone on myspace. Many people create profiles that reflect exactly how they WANT to be seen, not how they might be seen in reality/in person. It borders on being their alter ego, even if this isn’t what the consciously intend. Furthermore, these guys contacted them through myspace as well. I mean, it’s an ONLINE INTERACTION, people won’t always go for what they would go for if they met someone in person. These girls are most likely not GOING to meet them in person, so you’re more likely to choose something novel (ie, the cool guy over the nice guy, because frankly, being average online isn’t all that exciting for a short-term interaction).
- What is your definition of ‘hot’? You haven’t really defined it, and you cannot make a conclusion on such a large population by using self-defined words. If you’re going to conduct an experiment on ‘hot’ girls, then you must do some research on what people believe ‘hot’ to be and then come up with a definition that encompasses as many of these opinions as possible. Because there are many people who use ‘hot’ just to mean ‘attractive’ and if you conclude that ‘hot girls are shallow’ that’s going to create some angry disagreement and misunderstanding.
- With so many flaws, lack of controls and lack of variable in an experiment, you cannot possibly call your conclusion FACT. Theory, MAYBE, but most probably a hypothesis. You implied that you proved a stereotype – but you actually only TESTED stereotypes. Or even if these girls were not actually stereotypes, you labeled them as such and hence your opinion and conclusion will be skewed.

[Junket]

Ms. Sleepy just pwned our science boy.

[Jimmy1218]

Why waste your time on such experiments? Life's too short. hehe, just going with the crowd.

[IndiReloaded]

You don't usually see stunningly beautiful people in relationships with ugly people unless they have some amazingly redeeming quality- choosing the most attractive partner is a fundamental part of.. well, actually, of all mammalian mating rituals.

It's been shown that the athletes with the most symmetric ears run faster. People have correctly predicted the outcome of a race by looking at nothing but photocopies of the athlete's hands.
There are very good reasons we seek certain qualities- so that our offspring will be able to outrun that lion and therefore pass on our symmetric-face-seeking genes. It's how evolution works, for crying out loud. It is just inescapable. Given the choice between two guys who are identical except one is more attractive, we WILL go for the more attractive.

For those that will get it, I find posts like this very interesting.

[jurupa]

I still think you are jealous because other guys are attracting the girls you would like attention from. Why don't you go look at the non-hot girls? I bet they'd be more receptive to being your friend (unless, of course, you are too shallow to date a girl who isn't hot).

Personally I don't get that jealous anymore when a guy is with some "hot" girl. I actually don't care 99% of the time. Heck I even gave a guy in my class a compliment on how good looking his girlfriend was, how many guys do you know do that? I bet none. I am secure in my looks. And I look at both girls, because as long as I find them physically attractive I will look at them.

[DoesntMatter]

This thread makes me think... how much it must suck to be an ugly girl

[jurupa]

This thread makes me think... how much it must suck to be an ugly girl

Define ugly. There are a lot of average girls out there that if they dress to their body and put on make up that suited their face better and did their hair, they can look like the "hot" girls. Basically you have to use what you got.

[Jimmy1218]

This thread makes me think... how much it must suck to be an ugly girl

idk...if you see the person like everyday and she has amazing personality, she'll seem more attractive over time. But i agree, TOO ugly isn't good. Just normal with a good brain.

[vashti]

Your momma would be proud, Jimmy.

[Only-virgins]

Has anyone though the obvious answer? Girls wanna be hot to get more attention and attract more man. There, I did it in one sentence you poopie heads.

Read the last paragraph.

Actually don't bother, it's not worth your time.

Ok, cool, I'll take your word for it.

Alright, I’ve actually been sussing out this thread for a few days now

Wow, just wow.

[Tiay]

Alright, I’ve actually been sussing out this thread for a few days now, never actually getting the chance or time to reply to it in detail, so here it goes now.

I’ll first start pointing out that your experiment is flawed, mainly because:

- only 16 girls were tested (all from America, right?) That is a very small and specific population.
- each guy had different girls (you need to have some overlapping first because you can’t come to a conclusion while referring to all these girls as a collective. They’re all individuals believe it or not. You have to compare ONE girl’s reaction to several different types, not several different girls’ reactions to several different guys. To give a simplified example: you can’t have a cool guy and a nice guy, each with a hot girl, and then say that hot girls are shallow because the nice guy got rejected by his hot girl. What if the cool guy’s hot girl wouldn’t have rejected the nice guy?)
- It was all MySpace interaction. Some people act very differently on MySpace and you’re not going to get accurate representations of anyone on myspace. Many people create profiles that reflect exactly how they WANT to be seen, not how they might be seen in reality/in person. It borders on being their alter ego, even if this isn’t what the consciously intend. Furthermore, these guys contacted them through myspace as well. I mean, it’s an ONLINE INTERACTION, people won’t always go for what they would go for if they met someone in person. These girls are most likely not GOING to meet them in person, so you’re more likely to choose something novel (ie, the cool guy over the nice guy, because frankly, being average online isn’t all that exciting for a short-term interaction).
- What is your definition of ‘hot’? You haven’t really defined it, and you cannot make a conclusion on such a large population by using self-defined words. If you’re going to conduct an experiment on ‘hot’ girls, then you must do some research on what people believe ‘hot’ to be and then come up with a definition that encompasses as many of these opinions as possible. Because there are many people who use ‘hot’ just to mean ‘attractive’ and if you conclude that ‘hot girls are shallow’ that’s going to create some angry disagreement and misunderstanding.
- With so many flaws, lack of controls and lack of variable in an experiment, you cannot possibly call your conclusion FACT. Theory, MAYBE, but most probably a hypothesis. You implied that you proved a stereotype – but you actually only TESTED stereotypes. Or even if these girls were not actually stereotypes, you labeled them as such and hence your opinion and conclusion will be skewed.

your point is flawed- it's not a scientific study that he's going to write a paper on! It's just some guy and his friends having some fun and fuelling some food for thought. And the sample group IS Americans on my space, who's to say it's a mistake?

[ExpoNovak]

I would like to see this experiment played out in the flesh rather than on Myspace and see if the results would be the same. You just never know.

[Junket]

your point is flawed- it's not a scientific study that he's going to write a paper on! It's just some guy and his friends having some fun and fuelling some food for thought. And the sample group IS Americans on my space, who's to say it's a mistake?

Her point isn't nearly as flawed as his theory.

[Jimmy1218]

Your momma would be proud, Jimmy.

wtf??!!