so sick of punks who doesn't know how to please a women

[ecojeanne]

You know, I just realized that men are also complicated. If you dont give it up, they say you're playing hard to get and the guy starts to lose interest cuz you dont wanna give it up and when you finally give it up the thrill is gone. Why is that? WHat am I supposed to do then?

no guys aren't that complicated. they want sex by any means possible, and getting regular sex is even better- thats what a gf's for and then after a while it includes companionship. end of.

what are you supposed to do?? do whatever YOU want to do. if you don't want to have sex then don't. don't allow men to pursuade you otherwise coz at the beginning it's all about sex for them. let them sweat it out until YOU feel like having sex. it all about you babe!

[boobaa]

It's true. Smart men only need women for relief. Outside relationships, women are just a bunch of naggers good only for washing dishes. Some of them *khm* can't even write correctly.

[DoesntMatter]

People usually stereotype the nerdy type guys as being good boyfriends and who cares about women. But from my experience, this stereotype is completely inaccurate. The only guys that I find who are really really nice and willing to sacrafice anything for a girl are those who really have nothing going on for them. And no girls want those ones.

I'm talking about the ones who are intelligent, average looking, and probably didn't have a lot of experience with girls. I used to look for those but I was dissapointed to find out that they are just punks who are extremely awkward and does not know how to please women (have no sense of romance).

lol, she's extremely right

[DoesntMatter]

Well you're right unless the individual in question is a traditional Italian guy, in which case you will be romanced

[Indignant]

well maybe she knows something we don't!??

come on, do tell indignant, i'm facinated as to how you can come to this conclusion. do you know something we dont?

first of all there's no need to get sarcastic or agressive about my comment. as we mature, we are able to manipulate men or women as well, with well prepared arguements into changing or perfecting their behaviour to our standards. i would love to hear opinions of people over 30 on that subject. everyone will agree that our society, culture, environment and peers affect our behaviour, right? and here you have a partner who is the closest creature to you available to be guided according to your requirements.

[doppelgaenger]

first of all there's no need to get sarcastic or agressive about my comment. as we mature, we are able to manipulate men or women as well, with well prepared arguements into changing or perfecting their behaviour to our standards. i would love to hear opinions of people over 30 on that subject. everyone will agree that our society, culture, environment and peers affect our behaviour, right? and here you have a partner who is the closest creature to you available to be guided according to your requirements.

No. Trying to manipulate someone is wrong. How about we put you in a cage and poke you with a stick until you realize that?

[doppelgaenger]

Yep. I mean lie.

I appreciate 1AJs rescue, but I make no distinction b/t lying by omission and an outright lie. The only difference is who you are lying to.

I just think its classier to avoid the question by 'keeping one's mouth shut'. I think that disclosing the amount of prior partners too early in a relationship is asking for trouble.

If any guy I was dating was so crude as to ask me that number before we had been seeing each other exclusively for at least a few months I would deliberately inflate that number to the point I would scare him off. His losing me in the process, would be his punishment for his stupidity.

But I have a very high opinion of myself.

Seriously, by the same token, I think the converse is true for females asking guys. Its none of their business. If you are uncertain about sleeping with someone, say for fear of an STD, then you shouldn't be with them. Or you should both get tested. The number is irrelevant. A woman could have been married to the same man, faithful, for 20 years & still end up with an STD if the guy cheated on her w/o her knowledge.

Its all about judgement of that particular person at that particular time.

That's very dishonest, but I see what you mean. Relationship pasts can be very misleading. I personally don't like to talk about my relationship past either, so I don't ask.

But you know, a good guy is going to judge your character, not your past. So maybe it's better to just be completely honest. I guess it's about what you're after and how badly you want it.

[Only-virgins]

Whatever happened to the idea that it is rude to "kiss and tell"?

It was a stupid ****ing idea in the first place.

It's true. Smart men only need women for relief. Outside relationships, women are just a bunch of naggers good only for washing dishes. Some of them *khm* can't even write correctly.

+a million

[Indignant]

No. Trying to manipulate someone is wrong. How about we put you in a cage and poke you with a stick until you realize that?

i am greatful to those men who made the woman that i am today.

[vashti]

first of all there's no need to get sarcastic or agressive about my comment. as we mature, we are able to manipulate men or women as well, with well prepared arguements into changing or perfecting their behaviour to our standards. i would love to hear opinions of people over 30 on that subject. everyone will agree that our society, culture, environment and peers affect our behaviour, right? and here you have a partner who is the closest creature to you available to be guided according to your requirements.

This is all relatively true, but I think the point of contention was where you said that ANY man or woman could be molded into your ideal partner. That is only true if the other person wants to be with you.

I also don't have a problem with the word "manipulate". We all do it with every one to some extent. Is it "bad" to praise my husband for making dinner so he is eager to do it again? Of course not, but it IS a little manipulative. They just call it "positive reinforcement" nowadays.

[Indignant]

This is all relatively true, but I think the point of contention was where you said that ANY man or woman could be molded into your ideal partner. That is only true if the other person wants to be with you.

I also don't have a problem with the word "manilpulate". We all do it with every one to some extent. Is it "bad" to praise my husband for making dinner so he is eager to do it again? Of course not, but it IS a little manipulative.

i was actually quoting a French philosopher with that statement. it's tremendous to see how people react when they are not aware that the statement actually belongs to an acknowledged and respected individual.

[doppelgaenger]

i am greatful to those men who made the woman that i am today.

You made yourself.

This is all relatively true, but I think the point of contention was where you said that ANY man or woman could be molded into your ideal partner. That is only true if the other person wants to be with you.

I also don't have a problem with the word "manipulate". We all do it with every one to some extent. Is it "bad" to praise my husband for making dinner so he is eager to do it again? Of course not, but it IS a little manipulative. They just call it "positive reinforcement" nowadays.

Just to remind you, the word manipulation, in terms of relationships, has a negative connotation. But certainly, in good relationships, people don't manipulate each other; they agree with each other.

I would cook for my girlfriend if she enjoyed it, too. You're not using reinforcement; that's what you use with kids. Give your hubby more credit; you inspire him to do these things for you.

[Mish]

first of all there's no need to get sarcastic or agressive about my comment. as we mature, we are able to manipulate men or women as well, with well prepared arguements into changing or perfecting their behaviour to our standards. i would love to hear opinions of people over 30 on that subject. everyone will agree that our society, culture, environment and peers affect our behaviour, right? and here you have a partner who is the closest creature to you available to be guided according to your requirements.

Though it's true to some extent, there are obvious limitations to how much a person can be "molded". You can't expect to change a person beyond a certain level and if that level doesn't suit your requirements then you will have to change yourself (or "mold" yourself) or learn to live with it.

[Mish]

let them sweat it out until YOU feel like having sex. it all about you babe!

I think it's all about both partners and not any one individual. If one person has a higher sex driver than the other, then the one with the lower sex drive (either man or a woman) will have to learn how to satisfy their partner (if they want to see themselves as a good and caring partner of course)

[Junket]

i was actually quoting a French philosopher with that statement. it's tremendous to see how people react when they are not aware that the statement actually belongs to an acknowledged and respected individual.

I don't care if Mother Theresa said that, it's still wrong.

This isn't a matter of "I agree" or "disagree", it's simply an un-fact in it's most literal sense.