Vile Beasts

[Sanctuary]

I agree with this. Vigilantism is not the answer and it does cause problems. However, lay a finger on my sister and I'll rip that finger off and rape you to death with it. And that's if you're lucky. What's right and wrong stops mattering at that point.

Until our impotent judicial system decides to take a stand and do something about the scum that preys on innocents I believe every man has the right to defend his loved ones and see that real justice is served.

Lol you're so passionate. I got wet just from reading that.

[Mish]

Looks like this thread has turned into a one twisted collective revenge fantasy.

I sometimes wonder who is worse a sick mind that comes up with twisted ways to abuse people or the sick minds that spend hours thinking up twisted ways of vengeful torture. Because I'll be honest, sometimes they look one and the same.

[Gigabitch]

Mish, do you have anyone in your life that you feel this way about? For me, it's my daughter. For Gribble it's his sister. You... nobody?

[Mish]

Mish, do you have anyone in your life that you feel this way about? For me, it's my daughter. For Gribble it's his sister. You... nobody?

There are plenty of people in my life that I would defend with my life if necessary. There are people that I care about more than myself.

Having said that I don't waste my time thinking through all the fine detail of how I would torture and make an evil doer suffer and how I would gloat at their agony and make them beg for the pain to stop. People who waste their life thinking of this garbage are sick individuals imo.

[Cbrider]

I agree with this. Vigilantism is not the answer and it does cause problems. However, lay a finger on my sister and I'll rip that finger off and rape you to death with it.

Humanity needs to view every stranger this way. Just because it wasn't your sister being raped, doesn't mean you shouldn't intervene. I would have been out for blood in a flash if I walked up on that.

[misombra]

count me in with the crazies cause if that was my child i would kill their entire family.

[Aeradalia]

Looks like this thread has turned into a one twisted collective revenge fantasy.

I sometimes wonder who is worse a sick mind that comes up with twisted ways to abuse people or the sick minds that spend hours thinking up twisted ways of vengeful torture. Because I'll be honest, sometimes they look one and the same.

As a survivor of abuse... I'd have to say that my "revenge fantasies" weren't nearly so twisted as the things people often say they would do to an 'evil' person deserving of punishment. I remember fantasizing more about being free and how much better life could be/would be if I could just get away... and I had thoughts about beating him enough so I could get away or shooting him if necessary. It never occurred to me at the time to make him suffer as much as I had -- I just wanted it all to stop or somehow escape.

Later on I wanted him to be incarcerated somewhere so he couldn't hurt me or anyone else -- once more, a desire to end the madness. Occasionally the thought of him being dead seemed favorable as I feared that if left in the 'free world' he would never stop and this might be the only solution.

However, he was never incarcerated... he's free and he has hurt others and there isn't anything I can do about it. The statute of limitations means that since I lacked the fortitude as a child to defend myself and speak out -- it's much too late to do so as an adult. It's funny that they would put a statute of limitations on something like rape -- especially on rape of a child, as though the elapsed years makes it somehow 'better' or even 'forgivable.'

It's a shame that lawmakers don't consult psychiatrists/psychologists on some of the laws. Then they would realize that a statute of limitations works in favor of the rapist not the victim... as it can take years for the victim to overcome the fear enough to actually cry out for help... and that the rapist uses fear to dominate his victim.

No, vigilantism and diabolical revenge scenarios are not what's needed. What is needed is LESS emotion when it comes to such horrendous acts and MORE rationale. Young boys might be capable of rehabilitation... but serial rapists aren't. So devise suitable punishment for the young boys that is within reason and terminate the serial rapists without sadistic delight. That form of consistency will drive the point home far more readily than any media circus blood lust outcry or in-depth consultation of the legalities of the situation.

Enough with the hatred and dwelling on it... just see to it that the person(s) are punished or disposed of and the pain can finally stop for the victim. To do anything else risks twisting the victim, their families, and their sympathizers -- not heal and not protect.

[Mish]

As a survivor of abuse... I'd have to say that my "revenge fantasies" weren't nearly so twisted as the things people often say they would do to an 'evil' person deserving of punishment. I remember fantasizing more about being free and how much better life could be/would be if I could just get away... and I had thoughts about beating him enough so I could get away or shooting him if necessary. It never occurred to me at the time to make him suffer as much as I had -- I just wanted it all to stop or somehow escape.

Enough with the hatred and dwelling on it... just see to it that the person(s) are punished or disposed of and the pain can finally stop for the victim. To do anything else risks twisting the victim, their families, and their sympathizers -- not heal and not protect.

Every time I read these "fascinations" with torture they sound more like people want to unleash a sadist from within and bask in a pain of another human being without feeling guilty than anything remotely heroic or noble. I bet this is how some of the serial killers started as well. A little bit of torture fantasy here and there until it becomes an addiction. I bet in their twisted minds they are also the heroes saving man kind and not the villains.

[Aeradalia]

Human beings do have a bit of blood lust... part of our nature is predatory (though in a significantly reduced way). It tends to tie in with intense emotions like anger, envy, revenge, etc.

There's nothing wrong with this in itself... as these feelings are natural. However, they are also very dangerous to yourself and those around you if left unchecked. People are allowed to express anger, but only in ways that aren't destructive. Blood lust is allowed to be expressed as well... through fantasies... particularly movies.

Blood lust is a trait serial killers have... that much is true. But it's a trait that all humans have in some degree. For a serial killer, they do not express it safely. Rather they actually act on the impulse. They represent the consequence of not reigning in one's blood lust.

[Gribble]

This isn't about heroics. It isn't even about sadistic pleasure. It's about frustration. Frustration at hearing people go on and on about rehabilitation and prisoner rights. It's frustration at seeing these creatures who have rescinded their humanity by virtue of their heinous actions receive little more than a slap on the wrist before being returned to our streets to wreck further havoc.

I am sick of it. I'm sick of being afraid that something could happen to my sister because these predators roam freely and without fear. I'm sick of the shock that still hasn't worn off after seeing a map with hundreds of pinpoints representing known child molesters living freely within a twenty mile radius of my home.

I should not have to live in fear, nor should my sister. These creatures are the ones who should know terror.

I say creatures, beasts and monsters because that's what they are. When you participate in the gang rape of a 15 year old girl you are no longer human. Perhaps I shouldn't say beast, either. An animal doesn't understand the significance of its actions. These creatures do--hell, even if they don't, you still put a mad dog down. As such, I don't feel that torturing a rapist or a murderer is the same. They aren't human. They aren't animal . They are monster. What happens to monsters in the movies? Eventually someone corners it and destroys it violently. The vampire is staked to the Earth and left to fry in sunlight. The werewolf is shot with a sliver bullet. The zombie is decapitated.

By extension, let's begin eliminated the pedophile monsters, the serial killer monsters, the gangbanger monsters and so on. If we haven't the guts to eliminate them, let us at least keep them under lock and key for the rest of their lives.

[MVPlaya]

In South Africa, one in four men have raped a woman. Should one eighth of South Africa's population be killed off?

[Gribble]

At the absolute least one eight of South Africa's population should be castrated. Can you imagine the impact that would have? The only people who would dare commit rape after that point would be have to be absolutely insane.

This is exactly my point.

Someone must suffer.

Why the innocent women? Why not punish their tormentors in such a way that future crimes are greatly discouraged? Yeah, you can't take back what happened to those women, but you can prevent it from happening the next generation by setting a clear example that this behavior will NOT be tolerated.

[Illusional]

i'd join misombra in the slashing...

raverboy

[MVPlaya]

The problem is you think you can fix suffering with more suffering. Its a male illusion. If we hit something enough it will start working. If we get tough enough on crime people will stop being criminals.

Lets take your example logically, if you castrate one in eight males you are creating a brand new and giant social catastrophe in South Africa with endless effects on population growth, the economy, and the life tracts of South African men, not to mention dealing with the difficulty of enforcing vague rape rules that don't always convict the guilty. The end result is a new humanitarian catastrophe that can spark untold increases in crimes. Same had you said: kill one in eight South Africans, or sentence one in eight South Africans to two years in jail.

I believe the criminal system has to have a retributive element for certain crimes and that there are crimes that are 'under'-punished. However, there is a significant excess of punishment for a lot of crimes, all under the guise of "getting tough on crime," with the practical effect of increases in crime and a decrease in social welfare. A lot of laws are simply tools by politicians to posture that they're doing something about crime when they are worsening their communities and the prospects of young men.

Criminal justice without criminal rehabilitation is a catastrophe.

Note, btw: my point isn't that we shouldn't enforce laws when they are too costly, rather its that you should look at the criminal justice system as a medicine, with proper dosage in mind.

[Cbrider]

The problem is you think you can fix suffering with more suffering.

Its not fixing suffering with suffering, its fixing suffering with action.

You're not going to miss 1 less rapist in the world.