How do I tell him I'm not Jewish?

[Incognito]

It depends on the person.

[IndiReloaded]

Shrug. Like I said, I really can't comment on the religious argument for reasons I've made clear before. Not my thing.

[Incognito]

Yeah. What about the OP though? Don't you think she should just tell him exactly what she told us and then go from there?

[IndiReloaded]

I think she needs to decide if she would consider becoming more serious about her religion. That's probably most important talking point from the sounds of this fellow. Plenty of ethnic jews will accept spouses of other ethnicities if they will convert to their religion. If her answer is yes, then she should carry on. If she is considered an ethnic jew as Vash says, then there is even less of an issue. If not, she should bail now b/c she is wasting her time.

The present jewish religion thing has always seemed somewhat cultish to me. Especially the way the 'put upon Jew' mentality is adopted by those who have no family/ethnic reason to adopt this mindset. That kind of attitude can only be accomplished by a well-defined, closed system of what I would call brainwashing. There is a very defined personality who is susceptible to it, usually involving abuse at an early age.

Anyway, I'll stop here, its an old argument for me. I'm not knocking religion as much as I used to, there are clearly mindsets who require it, same as I can't function w/o coffee. Its the generations-long perpetuation of the hate that I find distasteful. I have the same problem with Japanese-Korean attitudes, FWIW.

[vashti]

People do confuse Jewish ethnicity w/Jewish religion. A person of Chinese ethnicity can convert to Judaism (Jewish religion) but isn't an ethnic jew. Just make it clear what you are discussing.

Vash, you may know quite a lot about the religion aspect but I spent years on the genetic disorders of Ashkenazi Jews. One of my relatives is a genetics expert on the subject. Before you start to argue with me, is all I'm saying. I admit I know next to nothing about the religion. I'm also not arguing you aren't Jewish as Nick is. You are Jewish the same as others choose to be Catholic or Protestant.

Thanks for your support, but I don't see how you have said anything that disagrees with what I said, which is that one is Jewish either way, but either observant (of Jewish law), or non-observant.

Also - Nick isn't questioning... he is trolling, and actually, he knows more about this whole subject than he cares to let on... in fact, more than anyone (besides me) that has posted in this thread.

[DarkHelmet82]

actually an ethnic jew is called an Israeli not a jew.. Jewish is a religion no an ethnicity.

[vashti]

actually an ethnic jew is called an Israeli not a jew.. Jewish is a religion no an ethnicity.

Not all Jews are Israeli. Run along and discuss something you know a little about, okay?

[DarkHelmet82]

Great.. Thats all we need.. A Druish princess.... Funny.. she doesn't look Druish

[DarkHelmet82]

you knew what i meant

[IndiReloaded]

Thanks for your support, but I don't see how you have said anything that disagrees with what I said, which is that one is Jewish either way, but either observant (of Jewish law), or non-observant.

Also - Nick isn't questioning... he is trolling, and actually, he knows more about this whole subject than he cares to let on... in fact, more than anyone (besides me) that has posted in this thread.

Okay, thanks for the heads up. I don't know if we are discussing quite the same thing, tho maybe we are. Genes don't care about observant or not. What I know deals with genes; don't much care what happens after that. But if you say so, you are probably right.

Stop being a Dick, Nick.

[IndiReloaded]

you knew what i meant

Trouble is, even these minor imprecisions cause people to get quite upset. Assumptions leading to things like the ME, for example.

[DarkHelmet82]

well don't assume.. simple as that

[IndiReloaded]

Or, as in your case, blind ignorance.

[DarkHelmet82]

how is not assuming blind ignorance?

[DarkHelmet82]

Jews are an ethnoreligious group and include those born Jewish and converts to Judaism .An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both (a long shared history; a cultural tradition of its own; either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors; a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group; a common literature peculiar to the group; a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups; being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community).
Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews, the Druze of the Levant, the Copts of Egypt, the Yazidi of northern Iraq, and the Zoroastrians of Iran and India. The Sikhs in India, although a proselytizing religion, are usually considered an ethnic group, with the state of Haryana created in 1966 so Sikhs could be a majority in their own state of Punjab.