so i got a 4th date proper...

[chitown]

and i'm a bit lost and confused. i guess it's my own fault. i met this amazing woman online and managed to initiate almost all of the way with positive response. but i have not held her hand or kissed her yet...from what i've read and heard from friends she should not have said yes to a 4th. in the past i have been drunk or asked to kiss for the first time. my ex told me not to ask again even though it worked on her. am i forcing it if i have such a problem initiating this stuff? is she uninterested if she has not taken it into her own hands? obviously it's now or never this time and i need to just do it and see what happens. so far everything besides that has been great with her, conversation, phone calls and texts, light flirting. i really need more experience and less shyness.

[Boisdevie]

You're way too slow. By the 4th date you should be playing hide the sausage.

[AnErin]

It is really gross to kiss someone who is drunk. Lay off the booze when you go out with someone and you should have better results.

[anastasis]

I've always been baffled by people who count dates. I've just never understood it. In fact, I don't even understand dating. If I want to go somewhere and want a girl to come out with me, I just go buy the tickets and swing by and pick her up wherever she is. I can't even remember one time I've ever 'asked' for a 'date', and certainly have never 'asked' to kiss. That just seems bizarre to me. And counting the number of dates? I guess I just live in a different world. If I really like a girl I'm just going to kiss her. And if I want to be around her, I'll just go get her. That's all. The end. It's that uncomplicated.

[Wakeup]

obviously it's now or never this time and i need to just do it and see what happens. experience and less shyness.

Obviously!