Wow this is some good stuff!

[Lynx3]

If I didn't have chemicals bouncing in my brain, I wouldnt have parents, nor would anyone else, because humanity would not reproduce and die out.

[Only-virgins]

I know you don't really mean this OV - you don't advocate drug use which increases pleasure. Also, what if killing people brings someone pleasure? Should they continue? Plenty of people don't work within this system.

No because killing people causes pain, lol...not pleasure. I dont advocate drug use because it causes pain to everyone who has to put up with those low lives, if there is no effect fof the drug..be my guest...get stoned all day.

well you can control it by having sex and make a nice relationship with someone?

Thats not love. That is a human tradition. Sex is a part of love , relationships have nothing to do with it.

If I didn't have chemicals bouncing in my brain, I wouldnt have parents, nor would anyone else, because humanity would not reproduce and die out.

You wouldnt breathe, think, eat, love, care, think, live..if you didnt have chemicals..its all chemicals. Even when you take a shit, piss, laugh, cry.

Lynx3, are you saying that if you didn't have a "love chemical" bouncing around in your body then you wouldn't love you parents?

Yes. Not just that, you wouldn't have emotions period. Romantic love is a different chemical and a different high than the attachment chemicals which most likely control the love of a child towards a parent and vice-versa.

Sorry, I know you want to believe its all a beautiful fairy tale but we infact we are just a brain walking around in a bag of meat and bone.

There are many things that threaten our existence

-There could be a global virus that will stop human reproduction
-Another planet can crash into earth
-Other race can attack us, it might seem idiotic, but with all the G type stars out there, who knows, theres almost 100% life exists on other planets

You forgot religion.

Yes, chemicals are released when we feel pleasure. This does not mean chemicals are responsible for the way we feel.

You are wrong, chemicals are released during everything, Even when a person feels great do to accomplishment(hard work) a chemical is released to tell them that it feels good. Chemical imbalances run the way we live. Chemicals tell you if you hate the way something tastes and if you even hate a color because of your sight. We are a shiet load of brain functions that run our lives. Chemicals define the moment you decide that you are "in love". When the part of the brain responsible is blocked (they have done it) the person doesn't do the opposite, the person becomes simply uninterested in the subject the chemical is responsible for. Human thought can alter the chemical and fight it but at the end all it is doing is changing the type and function of it.

Sorry, please don't cry.

[Lynx3]

Sorry, I know you want to believe its all a beautiful fairy tale but we infact we are just a brain walking around in a bag of meat and bone.

Wow OV, very nicely put!

[Debunkt]

Okay, I think what I said was misstated. I didn't mean chemicals don't control how we feel, because obviously the realease of things like endorphins and stuff is what makes you feel pleasure. My point was that most of the time we build or learn different things that give us different reactions and control the chemicals that make us feel good. Its perception. Humans are the only animal that have almost no need for instinct. Whoever thinks humans instinctly know to have relationships and have sex is wrong. I learned this shit just a few weeks ago in 2 different classes. Humans are the only species on the planet that have to be taught to have sex. I know you think "If nobody have never told me, I'd know how," but you wouldn't. You wouldn't have a set of guidelines to know when, how, how often, which way. We learn everything about relationships and sex from others, it is not an instinct in humans. We receive a stimulus, it creates an electrical impulse that travels to our brain, and then according to whether or not our perception of that stimulus is good or not will determine whether we produce chemicals that make us feel pleasure or not. Like I said, if every stimuli created the chemical reaction, we'd all feel the same things accordingly, and people like masocists wouldn't exist. Don't appologize to me, OV. I promise I know more on the subject. We are products of our environments from a young age, and that has a much more profound impact on the things that make us happy or sad.

And as long as humans do not readily perceive threats, we do not reproduce out of necesity. Few animals on the planet have sex for pleasure, but we are one of them and our ability to have complex conscious thought allows us to be happy with sex in or outside of a relationship, or be happy with no sex at all.

[dono]

Uhmmm....





Too big for brain. My brain feels happy right now. Ye-haw. ohh... look, its 2:00pm, and I havent eaten lunch yet. better go grab some.

[Lynx3]

Another this that caught my eye is this


Staring Into Each Other's Eyes
Professor Arthur Aron, of the State University of New York at Stonybrook, has studied what happens when people fall in love and has found that simply staring into each other's eyes has tremendous impact.

In an experiment he conducted, Professor Aron put strangers of the opposite sex together for 90 minutes and had them discuss intimate details about themselves. He then had them stare into each other's eyes for four minutes without talking. The results? Many of the subjects felt a deep attraction for their partner after the experiment, and two even ended up getting married six months later.



Could this really be true? That's really awesome!

[Debunkt]

Yeah, unfortunately that experiment is stupid because the people already knew details about the persons past, and THEN looked into their eyes. People aren't that good at differentiating what things cause them to feel attracted. I'm gonna chalk it up to a mix of physical attraction as well as attraction to personality. You'd think a professor would make his experiment better and not generalize on conclusions.

[Only-virgins]

Haha, that is all pathetic. Oh well, people fall for anything. You think that humans escape instinct and go on to make choices? Choice is an illusion just like any opinion. You may think that your "more evolved" perception of the world around you gives you some control over these chemicals. You say that something tastes bad and THAN the chemcials get released to tell you it tastes bad. What really happens is humans make decision based simply on their five senses and their feelings(which are controlled by chemical brain reactions). Dono tries to make fun of it by mocking it and implying that you would be like a robot but its the OTHER WAY AROUND haha. If no chemical (feeling) pushed you to do anything you would infact just lay on the bed and stare at the wall thoughtless.

Yeah, unfortunately that experiment is stupid because the people already knew details about the persons past, and THEN looked into their eyes. People aren't that good at differentiating what things cause them to feel attracted. I'm gonna chalk it up to a mix of physical attraction as well as attraction to personality. You'd think a professor would make his experiment better and not generalize on conclusions.

Those experiments die simply under the un-needed evidence of coincidence. They fail because I can sya it was coincidence that those people fell in love, no doubt though humans fall in love chemically and it is mutual somehow. I heard it is in the dialation of the pupil and something to do with a smell reaction.

[Mish]

Yes. Not just that, you wouldn't have emotions period. Romantic love is a different chemical and a different high than the attachment chemicals which most likely control the love of a child towards a parent and vice-versa.

Sorry, I know you want to believe its all a beautiful fairy tale but we infact we are just a brain walking around in a bag of meat and bone.

Do you have proof of this? It is just as easy to say that love for your parents is controlled consciously, by acknowledging the fact that your parents have given you life and raised you for which you have a morale obligation to look after them and love them in return. In which case a chemical reaction in your body may or may not play an important role.

Don't forget that inside of that brain walking around a bag of meat and bone there also is a consciousness...

P.S. I think people should start seperating the chemical reaction from biological elements that cause the chemical reaction. Once all of these complex elements are broken down into individual pieces we can begin to understand which one is the cause and which one is the effect. It very well maybe that some chemical releases are controlled consciously or subconsciously, for example mind can will the adrenalin release inside the body in preparation for a physical activity.

[Only-virgins]

Do you have proof of this? It is just as easy to say that love for your parents is controlled consciously, by acknowledging the fact that your parents have given you life and raised you for which you have a morale obligation to look after them and love them in return. In which case a chemical reaction in your body may or may not play an important role.

Don't forget that inside of that brain walking around a bag of meat and bone there also is a consciousness...

P.S. I think people should start seperating the chemical reaction from biological elements that cause the chemical reaction. Once all of these complex elements are broken down into individual pieces we can begin to understand which one is the cause and which one is the effect. It very well maybe that some chemical releases are controlled consciously or subconsciously, for example mind can will the adrenalin release inside the body in preparation for a physical activity.

The brain is the consciousness. It makes it. Anyways, lower life animals "love" their parents also. oh oh..but we must do it differently! ...there is the stupid human ego.

[Mish]

The brain is the consciousness.

Oh, but where in the brain is the consciousness? Can it be measured? Why do some brains have no consciousness, some have one, some have two, some have three? And what is the impact of this consciousness on your body and self? Some argue that consciousness may ultimately be in control of the entire body (That includes control over various chemical reactions on both conscious and subconscious levels - and if it is in control what externalities exist to condition a response by your consciousness to situations, which then conditions a response by your internal proccesses). We know that chemical reactions make us feel a certain way, but is it these proccesses, which control us or is it us controlling these proccesses, or are they intertvined and controlled by externalities? (In which case definition of what causes love is still open to interpretation) Once you start delving into these depths you begin to understand how complex life really is and how far away we are from knowing all the answers.

[simplyme]

The article was interesting....

One thing about the net though is what articles say is not always 100% accurate...Who was surveyed...what percentage of people were surveyed....what age groups were surveyed? Is the source really a credible source...

If we take everything we read and treat it the word from god...we do not really experience life...

I know a younger couple....The guy is 25 and his girlfriend is 23....They have been dating for 6 years and still have not had sex....I must say the are the most perfect couple I have ever seen.....

They are respectful to each other and always encourage each other....

What makes their relationship last are these factors...

Same goals ...same morals.....
Respect for each other
personalities that accent the others...
and kind to each other
trust
friendship

They will be getting married in one year....almost exactly...I can't wait and neither can they.....One thing they have to look forward to on their wedding night is sex...

Of course this is only one story ..but from what I have read on other sites....younger adults are waiting to have sex...and are in committed relationships....

Teens should not have sex..they consider sex to mean love...and love is a sparatic emotion due to hormones maturing.....Also love is difficult at that age and up to 21 because a person's likes and dislikes change as they mature....so most of the time ...love doesn't last through those years....

Ok..Im done babbling..

[Mish]

Staring Into Each Other's Eyes
Professor Arthur Aron, of the State University of New York at Stonybrook, has studied what happens when people fall in love and has found that simply staring into each other's eyes has tremendous impact.

In an experiment he conducted, Professor Aron put strangers of the opposite sex together for 90 minutes and had them discuss intimate details about themselves. He then had them stare into each other's eyes for four minutes without talking. The results? Many of the subjects felt a deep attraction for their partner after the experiment, and two even ended up getting married six months later.

So the conclusion of this experimnent is, if you put two strangers of opposite sex into a room for 90 minutes and have them talk about private stuff and stare into each other's eyes then they will automatically fall in love? That is the furthest thing from the truth. E.g. Do this experiment on yourself, put yourself into a room with an old lady and see if after 90 minutes you will fall in love with her. I don't think it's hard to tell what the outcome will be.

Truth is there are only certain types of people that we fall in love with for various reasons. And if you try to condition yourself to love (Romantically) someone who is not your type (E.g. 90 year old lady) you simply won't be able to.

[Only-virgins]

Oh, but where in the brain is the consciousness? Can it be measured? Why do some brains have no consciousness, some have one, some have two, some have three? And what is the impact of this consciousness on your body and self? Some argue that consciousness may ultimately be in control of the entire body (That includes control over various chemical reactions on both conscious and subconscious levels - and if it is in control what externalities exist to condition a response by your consciousness to situations, which then conditions a response by your internal proccesses). We know that chemical reactions make us feel a certain way, but is it these proccesses, which control us or is it us controlling these proccesses, or are they intertvined and controlled by externalities? (In which case definition of what causes love is still open to interpretation) Once you start delving into these depths you begin to understand how complex life really is and how far away we are from knowing all the answers.

You watch to much sci-fi. Turn that crap off and turn on discovery. Multiple personalities? is that what you are getting at with multiple conscious levels? haha, what a joke. simple retards craving attention, that is all it is. Also the consious is not located at a certain part of the brain, it is the entire brain. All the parts of the brain form the conscious mind. just like all the parts of the computer form what is on your monitor. The memory, feelings, and senses all put together from the brain will create a personality when put into a enviornment.

[Mish]

You watch to much sci-fi. Turn that crap off and turn on discovery. Multiple personalities? is that what you are getting at with multiple conscious levels? haha, what a joke. simple retards craving attention, that is all it is. Also the consious is not located at a certain part of the brain, it is the entire brain. All the parts of the brain form the conscious mind. just like all the parts of the computer form what is on your monitor. The memory, feelings, and senses all put together from the brain will create a personality when put into a enviornment.

Okay, there were a couple of things I mentioned in my post, the bottom line being that we don't know if chemical reaction is the cause or the effect and therefore what causes people to feel a certain way is still open to interprettaion, just to make this clear. Now in regards to the other things you mentioned:

1. Multiple personalities? is that what you are getting at with multiple conscious levels? haha, what a joke. simple retards craving attention, that is all it is.

A. Maybe according to you, but according to Medical experts this is a real medical condition. [url]http://skepdic.com/mpd.html[/url]

2. All the parts of the brain form the conscious mind.

In other words you don't know where the consciousness is and why one brain may have no consciousness while the other may have one or two or three

3. just like all the parts of the computer form what is on your monitor.

Not all parts of my computer form what's on my monitor. E.g. My network card, sound card, floppy drive, Cd Rom, the light that shows that my computer is on have nothing to do with what i'm seeing on the screen.

4. The memory, feelings, and senses all put together from the brain will create a personality when put into a enviornment.

Okay, now you are getting somewhere. You are saying that consciousness is not only constricted to the brain, but is also a part of other senses such as touch and other electrical signals inerpretted by the brain. In other words consciousness maybe the sum part of feelings and experiences of the entire body according to behaviour patterns as conditioned by genetics and the environment and as interpretted by the brain. Once again raising the question which one is the cause and which one is the effect when it comes to interpretting feelings