circumcision

[Tiay]

Fawking OW!

exactly. try typing "circumcision brain damage" into google. [URL="http://www.circumstitions.com/reasonsnotto.html"]ouch[/URL].

[dono]

exactly. try typing "circumcision brain damage" into google. [URL="http://www.circumstitions.com/reasonsnotto.html"]ouch[/URL].

Whatever. I'm ridiculously happy that I don't have my foreskin. If I did, I'd rip it off and shove it down someone's throat. Probably yours.

[Tiay]

There is no kid on the planet that was circumcized and because of it had the rest of the their life ruined because the trauma was too much to handle. It's not that big of a deal.

Actually, some kids die, or stop breathing during the procedure long enough to endure brain damage. Obviously, this is rare in the states (and much more common in africa with tribal circumcisions and such) but there are plenty of other [URL="http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched4ga.html"]complications[/URL] that are more common than you'd think, and that can leave men feeling violated and unwhole as adults, cause permanent scarring, etc.
The point is, it isn't medically necessary, so there's no reason not to let the person decide themselves.

Personally, I'm glad I was circumcized and I gotta say, I'd be pretty miffed if i wasn't.

Well then imagine for a second that you weren't circumcised, and that there is no way you can ever be circumcised. You'd be pretty miffed that your parents took that choice from you, right? well that's exactly how some circumcised men feel.
since you can always go form uncut to cut but not the other way, it makes sense to leave the choice up to the person- you're simply lucky that you agree with the choice that was made for you.

[Tiay]

Whatever. I'm ridiculously happy that I don't have my foreskin. If I did, I'd rip it off and shove it down someone's throat. Probably yours.

I smell denial....

no seriously, good for you- it'd suck if you wanted it back, because you couldn't.

[anachronistic]

honestly, I wouldn't worry about it because there's no way you can get the nerves back. Hopefully, you have some of your frenulum intact, and don't have any of these nasty mistakes:
[url]http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched5va.html[/url]

After looking at that website, my penis is really pretty. I love my penis. *bends all the way over and kisses it*

[Tiay]

I'm not circumcised muahaha. All the HIV and AIDS for me!

oh my gosh, does that mean you have to clean your penis? Y'know, maybe it'll get infected some day; why don't you just get out a knife and lop it off right now, just in case..!

[dono]

You could steal someone else's.

[TDurden]

By your logic you'd have to wait until someone was of sound mind to decide if they wanted to be circumcised which likely would be 18 years old. At 18 getting the tip of your dick lopped off is going to be a hell of lot more painful and risky than as a baby. It's like chicken pox, better to get it as a kid than as an adult.

[dono]

By your logic you'd have to wait until someone was of sound mind to decide if they wanted to be circumcised which likely would be 18 years old. At 18 getting the tip of your dick lopped off is going to be a hell of lot more painful and risky than as a baby. It's like chicken pox, better to get it as a kid than as an adult.

Oh mother****er.... I still haven't gotten chicken pox yet. Shit.

[Tiay]

By your logic you'd have to wait until someone was of sound mind to decide if they wanted to be circumcised which likely would be 18 years old. At 18 getting the tip of your dick lopped off is going to be a hell of lot more painful and risky than as a baby. It's like chicken pox, better to get it as a kid than as an adult.

wrong. anaesthetic is dangerous in infants, so it is often not used, or not used effectively (some arguing that it can cause even more pain than the procedure itself), or used too much with fatal effects. Adults circumcision however can be done with simple local anaesthetic.

edit: Also, naturally the foreskin separates from the glans sometime between birth and 18. usually tho I believe it is around 5 or so, not sure there are studies on that specifically =P
anyway, ripping the foreskin from the glans when it is still fused together as it is in an infant, can cause damage to the glans. It can leave skin tags and other scarring. It is hard to know how the boys penis will grow as he gets older, so in some cases too much skin is taken that the guy's scrotum gets sucked up when he gets an adult erection, or his erection is painful because there isn't enough skin- actually, some say it can even shorten the penis, and make it curve, depending how it develops. Whereas in adult circumcision, you're not risking many of those unknown factors.

[TDurden]

wrong. anaesthetic is dangerous in infants, so it is often not used, or not used effectively (some arguing that it can cause even more pain than the procedure itself), or used too much with fatal effects. Adults circumcision however can be done with simple local anaesthetic.

The aftermath however would be far more painful and memorable for an adult than a child.

[Tiay]

Oh mother****er.... I still haven't gotten chicken pox yet. Shit.

start hanging around your neighbours kids.. ?

[Tiay]

The aftermath however would be far more painful and memorable for an adult than a child.

an adult can be given painkillers without much risk. Most importantly though, they know what's going on, so even if they do feel pain, they know they chose it, they know it will pass, they know it will lead to what they wanted. This is COMPLETELY different to being strapped down, having it done without anaesthetic and not being able to understand any of it. Some research suggests this causes problems with bonding and breastfeeding. Seriously, if you're getting it as an adult, that's not gonna be a problem or is it?

[dono]

"I have problems sucking my mother's tits and bonding because I had excess skin cut off of my dick and now it looks cleaner."

What kind of pussy would say that? ****, don't even answer that. Just bring them before me so I can beat the shit out of them--free of charge.

[Tiay]

Oh please lilwing. You are so suggestable. Don't imagine yours was the equivelent.

don't listen to her lil; I actually wrote 4,896 words before you posted that.

It really wasn't.

well then, evidence, please! No it's not *exactly* the same, it couldn't possibly be. However, removing erogenous tissue from genitals is comparable no matter what gender it is cut off from. The frenulum and foreskin are loaded with specialised nerves much like the clit. Removal of erogenous tissue decreases sensitivity and sexual function in females, yet everyone is in denial about the fact that it does the same for guys. That isn't just the most logical conclusion, it is supported in research, fact and experience.

EDIT: "A typical western medical circumcision results in the loss of approximately 1/2 of the total surface area of the penis and between 50 and 80% or more of its erogenous sexual nerves." references : 8, 9, 10

sounds equivalent enough to me.


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