Is this common in US?

[Petit Papillon]

do you think before you speak? lol. If these immigrants are appalled by the practices in the US, then why come to this country?

Because there are other good reasons ,for example they like American culture...

Oh and some actually don't pay the bills ,because all of the money they earn, they send it back home to their families in need. A lot of immigrants go there for few months,they work from morning till night ,save every penny they get so their family can pay back debts or whatever...

[Petit Papillon]

I'm not defending a bad one. Just because it doesn't work for a few doesn't mean it's not the best option. I don't like your system but if it works for your country that I'm not going to call it a bad option. You really should research a bit about our country before judging it.

Looking at just this thread, there i more American members against such health care system... Unfortunately i don't have many American sources to compare ,but if I assume you are kind of a mirror of society,then well...

[sparkle_jello]

Looking at just this thread, there i more American members against such health care system... Unfortunately i don't have many American sources to compare ,but if I assume you are kind of a mirror of society,then well...

Not so much. Europe and US are completely different. It's hard for me to even know what Europe customs are because there are so many different countries. There are some good things in Europe, for example, I like how Europeans treat maternity and how women with new babies are treated... and I want the US to take on a little bit of this, but not the full extent. Just because everyone in the US isn't covered, it doesn't mean that there aren't systems put into place to help people that CAN'T get coverage. If people can't work for whatever reason, there is social security. In all honesty, impoverished families that make below a certain dollar amount get on social security and they basically get free health care already.

[Junket]

this post is going back to regard the original post. the wealthy in this country have to perpetuate that idea that poor people put themselves their poor condition and are to blame for the country's economic trouble. because the truth is that many rich people got there by pimping the system, stealing from others, and/or whoring themselves out. if you look into the history of all the filthy rich people in this country, you will see this as a legacy and a lot of the times it's overt.

the 50% of people who believe they can be rich are fools if they also think they can become rich being honest, ethical, hard working people. because that's bullshit.

I'd like to add, that it's these rich, and the political puppets of the rich that try to persuade the masses that less taxes for the rich benefit everyone.

"Trickle down economics", they call it. Because after 8 years of trickle down economics we had a massive budget surplus.

I mean, after 8 years of trickle down economics we were in debt by trillions of dollars.

Anyone remember Bush's advice to the failing economy?

"Go buy stuff."

F*cking retard faggot sonofabitch.

[misombra]

Ummm... I think old people should get treated. IN FACT, here in the united states, there is Medicare. All old people over 65 get covered because they've pretty much worked to get us where we are and deserve it. In case you didn't know.

I just want to clarify that Medicare coverage is pretty good.

medicare is great. however the worker who pays income tax pays for that. and medicare (along with social security) is the most expensive welfare benefit in our country's existence. and i do know, jello, because i minored in social welfare in college. medicare and social security have always been paid by young workers who have their income taxed. neither of these things were ever paid for in advance and saved for when a person becomes of a certain age.

I'd like to add, that it's these rich, and the political puppets of the rich that try to persuade the masses that less taxes for the rich benefit everyone.

"Trickle down economics", they call it. Because after 8 years of trickle down economics we had a massive budget surplus.

I mean, after 8 years of trickle down economics we were in debt by trillions of dollars.

Anyone remember Bush's advice to the failing economy?

"Go buy stuff."

F*cking retard faggot sonofabitch.

reagan totally messed up our economy. he set up poor people to fail. i want to cringe when i hear people talk about how he was the greatest president of our generation. he was awful and his terrible policies have implications on us to this day. don't even get me started on bush.

[sparkle_jello]

medicare is great. however the worker who pays income tax pays for that. and medicare (along with social security) is the most expensive welfare benefit in our country's existence. and i do know, jello, because i minored in social welfare in college. medicare and social security have always been paid by young workers who have their income taxed. neither of these things were ever paid for in advance and saved for when a person becomes of a certain age.

I love medicare, and parts of social security. I know they are expensive programs. Even if they didn't pay a cent into the actual system, they still deserve it. Eventually older people have to quit working, but they should still have something to fall back on, medicare is their 'gift' for being a productive member of society.

The big problem that is developing, and I'm unclear about the actual numbers here so this is a very vague point I am making, is that I hear there are not enough people being born and going into the workforce to support these systems. As a country develops and grows, the birth rates decline. Places such as Japan are having trouble even obtaining replacement level fertility, and this can cause big issues with medicare and social security.

[Junket]

I love medicare, and parts of social security. I know they are expensive programs. Even if they didn't pay a cent into the actual system, they still deserve it. Eventually older people have to quit working, but they should still have something to fall back on, medicare is their 'gift' for being a productive member of society.

The big problem that is developing, and I'm unclear about the actual numbers here so this is a very vague point I am making, is that I hear there are not enough people being born and going into the workforce to support these systems. As a country develops and grows, the birth rates decline. Places such as Japan are having trouble even obtaining replacement level fertility, and this can cause big issues with medicare and social security.

Yeah, where the f*ck is my gift for struggling in this $hitty economy that was ripening while I was still in highschool?

[sparkle_jello]

Yeah, where the f*ck is my gift for struggling in this $hitty economy that was ripening while I was still in highschool?

Since you give no indication as to your background I have no idea what exactly it is that you have taken offense to. So I think old people should be compensated... woo hoo.

[Sonrisa]

all i know, is that if we hadn't taken in all those retired age immigrants and let them use OUR health benefits, low income housing and disability benefits and IHSS, then WE might've had a chance to have something left over for US. Unfortunately when WE retire, those funds will be long gone by then.

[Mish]

The over charging that goes on helps to offset people that don't pay their bills, and goes towards doctors. Doctors graduate with 300k in student loans often times, they get paid a lot here. Doctors are also allowed to make much greater profit here, if you take away the potential to make profit many of the doctors will leave.

Well, the over charging that goes on also helps to send people broke and turns them from middle class and into poor people. Does the benefit really outweight the flaws?

And this is before even touching on the real reasons why the universal health care is being introduced. First of all is it fair that the health insurance companies in US have the power to deny coverage for people with pre-existing conditions? Is it fair that if you have a "pre existing condition" you will be said "sorry, but that means we have to pay you more than we can squeeze out of you?"

[Junket]

Health insurance should be non-profit.

There's absolutely no reason why they should be profitable.

[Lipp]

And that's why we like having a government in charge of something as fundamental as healthcare, and not some CEO who sees patients as walking ATMs.

[misombra]

in the usa, ceo's=the government.

[Gribble]

The Great American Kakistocracy, a government "for the benefit of knaves at the cost of fools."

[sparkle_jello]

Well, the over charging that goes on also helps to send people broke and turns them from middle class and into poor people. Does the benefit really outweight the flaws?

And this is before even touching on the real reasons why the universal health care is being introduced. First of all is it fair that the health insurance companies in US have the power to deny coverage for people with pre-existing conditions? Is it fair that if you have a "pre existing condition" you will be said "sorry, but that means we have to pay you more than we can squeeze out of you?"

I think denying people with pre existing conditions is fair, many people don't understand why this happens and why companies do this, I will explain.

They way our system can work and be most successful is if everyone contributes, when they are sick and when they are well. If I get sick tomorrow, I've been paying into the health care system for about 10 years now, so I've had many dollars to contribute to the pot. It's fair that I get coverage.

Say there is a fake person, sally, who is 32 years old. She has always been healthy so she's never felt the need to get insurance. One day she is diagnoses with something, and cannot afford to get treatment, so she applies for insurance. She has never paid into the pot for anyone else, so why should everyone pay into the pot for her.

Our system can't work if the only times you pay into it is when you are sick...

And it is a good system, it was working really well until the recession hit. In light of the recession, there should be a bandaid (sp) that can be quickly removed when the economy improves. Some things should still be fixed, but I don't think reform is good for our country.