Metrosexuals?

[Junsui]

ex-President Bill Clinton as the top "ubersexuals" in America... ubersexuals are men who embrace the positive aspects of their masculinity such as confidence, leadership, passion and compassion, without giving in to the stereotypes that give guys a bad name, including disrespect toward women, emotional emptiness, complete ignorance of anything cultural outside of sports, beer, burgers, and athletic shoes."

Bill Clinton? He cheated on his wife though?

[Rosebud]

Bill Clinton? He cheated on his wife though?

I'm with you Junsui... That didn't make any sense... disrespecting woman??? did we forget he lied to, and cheated on his wife. And not to mention lied about doing it in the first place on public Television...

[Junsui]

lol exactly

[indigosoul]

Do these terms only apply to men? Are there any ubersexual women? Why is the standard relative to women... something I'm missing here?

The whole thing seems like some media ppl trying to sound smarter than they actually are. Something to do with making magazines, etc. more interesting to the average female reader.

C'mon then, lets start our own neologisms. We can document that we started them here and see how long it takes for them to become prevalent on the internet. New thread coming up!

[shh!]

Bill Clinton? He cheated on his wife though?

Eh - I loved Clinton. Why should I care if he cheated on his wife? She didn't seem to mind too much. In fact, I would bet they had some sort of an "arrangement". Besides, his lies look like small potatoes compared to what the current administration has lied about, and Clinton's lies about sex (which was not really the public's business) didn't cost any lives. I would definitely consider Clinton's presidency the "good old days" by comparison.

[indigosoul]

Shh, have you read "Stupid White Men"? Michael Moore. You'd really like it, I think. He talks about Clinton vs. Bush as a simple case of those who screw overtly vs. those who screw covertly. Amusing book.

[shh!]

Do these terms only apply to men? Are there any ubersexual women? Why is the standard relative to women... something I'm missing here?

I am guessing that women tend to embrace the shedding of the negative characteristics associated with masculinity ("disrespect toward women, emotional emptiness, complete ignorance of anything cultural outside of sports, beer, burgers, and athletic shoes") while men still embrace the negative ones associated with femininity ("dumb blonde" stereotypes). If women are strong, powerful and smart, many men still feel threatened.

[shh!]

Shh, have you read "Stupid White Men"? Michael Moore. You'd really like it, I think. He talks about Clinton vs. Bush as a simple case of those who screw overtly vs. those who screw covertly. Amusing book.

Hehe - I have skimmed the book. Michael Moore is highly entertaining, even if he is overtly biased.

[whaywardj]

C'mon then, lets start our own neologisms. We can document that we started them here and see how long it takes for them to become prevalent on the internet. New thread coming up!

Okay. I'll start by offering two which came to me some years ago:

1. mollicking

2. worple

I think I have a definition for the first. But the second eludes me.

Any suggestions from the gang as to what the made-up words might/could mean?

[Junsui]

Eh - I loved Clinton. Why should I care if he cheated on his wife? She didn't seem to mind too much. In fact, I would bet they had some sort of an "arrangement". Besides, his lies look like small potatoes compared to what the current administration has lied about, and Clinton's lies about sex (which was not really the public's business) didn't cost any lives. I would definitely consider Clinton's presidency the "good old days" by comparison.

Maybe the administration today has lied about things, but I was pointing him out as just a man, not ex president lying to the nation. He was doing stuff before he became president. I only pointed it out because I thought it was odd that he was listed in there.

And things did happen during Clinton's presidency, but I hate politics and don't really care to go into all of that.

[Lloyd95]

And things did happen during Clinton's presidency, but I hate politics and don't really care to go into all of that.

Yes, a deficit was turned into a surplus, the economy boomed, American people had jobs, American soldiers werent' dying needlessly, people were just better off....but don't get into that.

[shh!]

I doubt very much that Hillary was surprised about any of his misdeeds. Men in positions of power are always getting themselves into trouble with other women. Warren Harding fathered an illegitimate child just before taking presidential office, and Thomas Jefferson was rumored to have broken his arm jumping out of his mistress' bedroom window to escape her husband. Of course, we all know about JKF's infidelities. Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower and even George H.W. Bush have been rumored to have had affairs. George Washington was supposedly in love with his best friend's wife.

I don't know why I should care more about a man's infidelity than his own wife does, whether or not he is in office. They aren't priests - they are men.

[Junsui]

lol ok I'm not trying to argue and I know people in power have been known to have affairs. And I know Hillary didn't give a shit. I'm not even trying to get into that. I just found it odd that they listed Clinton amoung other men "who embrace the positive aspects of their masculinity such as confidence, leadership, passion and compassion, without giving in to the stereotypes that give guys a bad name, including disrespect toward women, emotional emptiness, complete ignorance of anything cultural outside of sports, beer, burgers, and athletic shoes." He was a great president, I'm not arguing anything about presidency.

[Junsui]

Yes, a deficit was turned into a surplus, the economy boomed, American people had jobs, American soldiers werent' dying needlessly, people were just better off....but don't get into that.

lol Oh Lloyd

[Bluevetteracer]

Just a few people Clinton didn't have to Pardon.

1. James McDougal


Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack,
while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2. Mary Mahoney
A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3. Vince Foster
Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head; ruled a suicide.

4. Ron Brown
Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.
Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash.
A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

5. C. Victor Raiser II &Montgomery Raiser
Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization.
Died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6. Paul Tulley
Democratic National Committee Political Director
found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992.
Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

7. Ed Willey
Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House.
Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8. Jerry Parks
Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock.
Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock.
Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton.
He allegedly threatened to reveal this information.
After he died, the files were mysteriously removed from his house.



9. James Bunch
Died from a gunshot suicide.
It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.


10. James Wilson
Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide.
He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.


11. Kathy Ferguson
Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.


12. Bill Shelton
Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.
Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound. Also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.


13. Gandy Baugh
Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater,
died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994.
His client was a convicted drug distributor.


14. Florence Martin
Accountant and sub-contractor for the CIA,
was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case.
He died of three gunshot wounds.


15. Suzanne Coleman
Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head; ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.


16. Paula Grober
Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992.
She died in a one car accident.


17. Danny Casolaro
Investigative reporter.
Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.


18. Paul Wilcher
Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment.
Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death.

19. Jon Parnell Walker
Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation.
Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993.He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.


20. Barbara Wise
Commerce Department staffer.
Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang.
Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996.
Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.


21. Charles Meissner
Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance. Died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.


22. Dr. Stanley Heard
Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council,
personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.


23. Barry Seal
Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas; death was no accident.


24. Johnny Lawhorn Jr.
Mechanic
Found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.


25. Stanley Huggins
Investigated Madison Guarantee.
His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.


26. Hershell Friday
Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.


27. Kevin Ives &Don Henry
Known as "The boys on the track" case.
Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation.
A controversial case, the initial report of death said ...
"due to falling asleep on railroad tracks."
Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks.
Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.





THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION
IN THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28. Keith Coney
Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 88.

29. Keith McMaskle
Died.
(A slight understatment)
Stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988

30. Gregory Collins
Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31. Jeff Rhodes
He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33. James Milan
Found decapitated.
However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".

34. Jordan Kettleson
Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35. Richard Winters
A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths.
He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.


THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36. Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37. Captain Scott J. Reynolds
38. Sgt. Brian Hanley
39. Sgt. Tim Sabel
40. Major General William Robertson
41. Col. William Densberger
42. Col. Robert Kelly
43. Spec. Gary Rhodes
44. Steve Willis
45. Robert Williams
46. Conway LeBleu
47. Todd McKeehan


Quite an impressive list!