Straight woman... same-sex crush?

[nerdy_guy]

Obviously the OP is only attracted to the occasional female.

Oh wow! that explains Everything! why? should she be attracted to every female she comes in contact with? Nice answer.

Personally I find the suggestion that a child that is exposed to BPAs is going to be gay as laughable

Yeah, personal opinion makes everything you say become true isn't it? So why is it that males have to be injected with female hormones to grow breasts and change their voice huh? That's laughable too right?

How the hell do you explain the gay children of respectable Christian families??

I never claimed to be an expert at the field of "in-between" like you're doing. Me citing several factors of possibilities makes me archaic? compared to you letting ALL of it just magically appearing out of nowhere makes it modern science?

[MaidenMinx]

Oh wow! that explains Everything! why? should she be attracted to every female she comes in contact with? Nice answer.


Yeah, personal opinion makes everything you say become true isn't it? So why is it that males have to be injected with female hormones to grow breasts and change their voice huh? That's laughable too right?


I never claimed to be an expert at the field of "in-between" like you're doing. Me citing several factors of possibilities makes me archaic? compared to you letting ALL of it just magically appearing out of nowhere makes it modern science?

Dude, stop shoving words in my mouth.


I said obviously she is only attracted to the occasional female, not because I believe a gay or bi person (I am bi myself by the way) has to be attracted to everyone of the same sex, but as a response to the idea that she 'should' have (in your opinion) been attracted to both from the beginning. I'm guessing the first really attractive woman she met is the one she is referring to. If a person is not attracted to anyone of the opposite sex all through puberty does that mean they are gay or that they haven't met someone they are attracted to.

My opinion is my opinion, and as far as I have read there is no conclusive evidence that BPAs affect a persons sexuality. It would appear that that whole idea is opinion at this point. If you have conclusive evidence that BPAs lead to children being gay, show me. Until then, my opinion stands. Doesn't mean I am right, it means I have an opinion.

Please point out to me where I claimed to be an expert, I don't recall making that claim. All I did was see bullshit and call you on it. Ignoring being attracted to the same sex doesn't make it go away. That is all I was trying to say in the beginning.

[nerdy_guy]

Dude, stop shoving words in my mouth.
I said obviously she is only attracted to the occasional female, not because I believe a gay or bi person (I am bi myself by the way) has to be attracted to everyone of the same sex, but as a response to the idea that she 'should' have (in your opinion) been attracted to both from the beginning. I'm guessing the first really attractive woman she met is the one she is referring to. If a person is not attracted to anyone of the opposite sex all through puberty does that mean they are gay or that they haven't met someone they are attracted to.

My opinion is my opinion, and as far as I have read there is no conclusive evidence that BPAs affect a persons sexuality. It would appear that that whole idea is opinion at this point. If you have conclusive evidence that BPAs lead to children being gay, show me. Until then, my opinion stands. Doesn't mean I am right, it means I have an opinion.

Please point out to me where I claimed to be an expert, I don't recall making that claim. All I did was see bullshit and call you on it. Ignoring being attracted to the same sex doesn't make it go away. That is all I was trying to say in the beginning.

So in the 20 years of her life, she didn't see anyone attractive? I don't think she lived in a cave filled with men.

You're opinion is your opinion, I have mine, that doesn't give you the right to start attacking what I say. BPA studies have shown that they act like estrogen and would create imbalance in hormone levels. Not everyone might come out gay, but there are also studies that show they can't have babies due to these imbalances. Just because I don't have the answer to everything doesn't mean I'm wrong. You have your opinion, and your opinion stands, yes, but I don't have to stand with your opinion so don't force it on others. Especially if you admit that it might not be right.

That part in bold claims that you made yourself an expert. In you opinion, its bullshit, that doesn't give you the right to shove it in my face as fact. You don't like it. tough shit! Being bi doesn't give you the right to say those things to me either. I wasn't attacking anyone, I was just stating an opinion so there's not need to get your panties in a knot.

[MaidenMinx]

My panties are completely knot free, thanks for the concern.

Saying I called myself an expert by calling bullshit is well bullshit. I asked you in that same paragraph that you claim I called myself an expert, so where before that did I call myself an expert.

And being bi does give me a greater amount of insight on this. I can tell you for a fact that a bi person can't just switch off being bi. And yes it is completely plausible and possible that she could reach 20 before finding a woman she is attracted to enough to realise she is bi. Personally I was 16 before I realised I was bi and had my first crush on a boy when I was 10. That is why I can call bullshit.

And dude, you have attacked me as happily as I have attacked you. So is it your panties that actually need untwisting...?

Oh, still waiting for that conclusive evidence on BPAs. A link to an article for example. Nothing I have googled has been conclusive, so please, show me where you get your 'facts'. I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone. If my opinion is going to be attacked as going in the face of fact I would like to see those facts. I am flexible and happy to admit when I am wrong. Prove me wrong and my opinion will change.

[nerdy_guy]

You stated that it is plausible to be a bi at a later stage in life. And you attribute all of that to genetics? If yours is genetics that doesn't mean it is genetics for everyone else.

And dude, you have attacked me as happily as I have attacked you. So is it your panties that actually need untwisting...?

That is just the proof that I need to prove that you wanted me to just sit down and shut up about my opinions. Oh, you forgot to mention the fact that I only responded to your attacks on what I have to say. That is what you call, defending.

There is a topic on wikipedia on BPA that is as mainstream as it gets. Just scroll down to the section that says Expert panel conclusions but then again I should probably say that you might just go for one FSA chief scientist that would overturn a lot of other studies since that would fit your opinion better. It might not say anything but turn boys to gays since that would be politically unacceptable thing to say. But I'm thinking that too much BPA estrogen accumulation might have the same effect as being inject with hormones.

[MaidenMinx]

You are citing wiki??? Wow.

Why does there have to be a reason people are gay? I personally haven't been looking for one but will happily state that ones sexuality is something that can't be changed or made to go away.

That is really the only thing I had a problem with in the first place, your implication that one can forget about being bi or gay. In that case I will blatantly and confidently state you are wrong. You can defend yourself til the cows come home but it won't make you any more right. On the matter of BPAs you may be correct but that has little relevance to the thread. I'm not really sure why you bought them up.

[MaidenMinx]

Expert panel conclusions
In 2007, a consensus statement by 38 experts on bisphenol A concluded that average levels in people are above those that cause harm to many animals in laboratory experiments. However, they noted that while BPA is not persistent in the environment or in humans, biomonitoring surveys indicate that exposure is continuous, which is problematic because acute animal exposure studies are used to estimate daily human exposure to BPA, and no studies that had examined BPA pharmacokinetics in animal models had followed continuous low level exposures. They added that measurement of BPA levels in serum and other body fluids suggests that either BPA intake is much higher than accounted for, or that BPA can bioaccumulate in some conditions such as pregnancy, or both.[37] A 2011 study, the first to examine BPA in a continuous low level exposure throughout the day, did find an increased absorption and accumulation of BPA in the blood of mice.[38]
In 2007 it was reported that among government-funded BPA experiments on lab animals and tissues, 153 found adverse effects and 14 did not, whereas all 13 studies funded by chemical corporations reported no harm. The studies indicating harm reported a variety of deleterious effects in rodent offspring exposed in the womb: abnormal weight gain, insulin resistance, prostate cancer, and excessive mammary gland development.[39]
A panel convened by the U.S. National Institutes of Health in 2007 determined that there was "some concern" about BPA's effects on fetal and infant brain development and behavior.[7] The concern over the effect of BPA on infants was also heightened by the fact that infants and children are estimated to have the highest daily intake of BPA.[40] A 2008 report by the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP) later agreed with the panel, expressing "some concern for effects on the brain, behavior, and prostate gland in fetuses, infants, and children at current human exposures to bisphenol A," and "minimal concern for effects on the mammary gland and an earlier age for puberty for females in fetuses, infants, and children at current human exposures to bisphenol A." The NTP had "negligible concern that exposure of pregnant women to bisphenol A will result in fetal or neonatal mortality, birth defects, or reduced birth weight and growth in their offspring."[41]

Above is the wiki section you suggested I read.... NOTHING in there about BPAs making kids gay... Nada, zip, nothing...

[nerdy_guy]

Yes I am citing wiki. I am a bit less lazy than you in terms of looking for studies about BPA. Its not worth my time looking for scientific documents about it. Now, that I "may" be correct, it suddenly doesn't matter anymore does it. I wonder why you never told me that the first instance I mentioned and even asked me to look for proof.

Once again, you're the one that keep generalizing and kept pushing for the idea that being gay should be genetic. Hell! even I could tell you that being gay dates as far back as ancient times when BPA is still not being invented yet. I never looked for a reason nor am I trying to make the OP feel bad. You're the first one here that got all riled up about it.
I have nothing against people being gay. I said "I guess its just a phase" there were people calling her bi-curious, that doesn't make her gay either, I don't understand why I got picked on by you just because I stated that "IT MIGHT" just pass if you don't entertain the thought. If she really believes that she's bi then whoop-dee-doo! That doesn't mean I'd look down on her.

[nerdy_guy]

Expert panel conclusions
In 2007, a consensus statement by 38 experts on bisphenol A concluded that average levels in people are above those that cause harm to many animals in laboratory experiments. However, they noted that while BPA is not persistent in the environment or in humans, biomonitoring surveys indicate that exposure is continuous, which is problematic because acute animal exposure studies are used to estimate daily human exposure to BPA, and no studies that had examined BPA pharmacokinetics in animal models had followed continuous low level exposures. They added that measurement of BPA levels in serum and other body fluids suggests that either BPA intake is much higher than accounted for, or that BPA can bioaccumulate in some conditions such as pregnancy, or both.[37] A 2011 study, the first to examine BPA in a continuous low level exposure throughout the day, did find an increased absorption and accumulation of BPA in the blood of mice.[38]
In 2007 it was reported that among government-funded BPA experiments on lab animals and tissues, 153 found adverse effects and 14 did not, whereas all 13 studies funded by chemical corporations reported no harm. The studies indicating harm reported a variety of deleterious effects in rodent offspring exposed in the womb: abnormal weight gain, insulin resistance, prostate cancer, and excessive mammary gland development.[39]
A panel convened by the U.S. National Institutes of Health in 2007 determined that there was "some concern" about BPA's effects on fetal and infant brain development and behavior.[7] The concern over the effect of BPA on infants was also heightened by the fact that infants and children are estimated to have the highest daily intake of BPA.[40] A 2008 report by the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP) later agreed with the panel, expressing "some concern for effects on the brain, behavior, and prostate gland in fetuses, infants, and children at current human exposures to bisphenol A," and "minimal concern for effects on the mammary gland and an earlier age for puberty for females in fetuses, infants, and children at current human exposures to bisphenol A." The NTP had "negligible concern that exposure of pregnant women to bisphenol A will result in fetal or neonatal mortality, birth defects, or reduced birth weight and growth in their offspring."[41]

Above is the wiki section you suggested I read.... NOTHING in there about BPAs making kids gay... Nada, zip, nothing...

Being gay is such a big issue that is why there is a gay rights movement and after all, just like you said "IT IS WIKI".
Like I said before. BPA mimics estrogen. Transvestites purposely inject estrogen so they'll grow boobs and sound female. Of course, that wouldn't mean anything to you.

[MaidenMinx]

So does chicken and eggs, does that make people gay too???

Dude, you made a crappy comment and I called you on it. Get over it.

[nerdy_guy]

Funny you mentioned that, my brother's co-worker who by the way also lives in OZ actually told him that her daughter's boobs got a lot bigger ever since she started eating a lot of chicken. But then again you won't believe that since that doesn't fit your opinion either.

I made a comment that sounded crappy to you. It may be because you are a bi. And for that, I apologize if I've hurt you in any way.

[MaidenMinx]

Dude, I just don't see the relevance of extra oestrogen. Yes eating more chicken and eggs can affect a womans bustline, it's happened to me too. Can it make a man or a boy gay, I doubt it. It's not just oestrogen that makes women attracted to men. Can you see yet why I find the idea of BPAs making people gay laughable? If you were to say that an exposure to BPAs may contribute to gay men being more comfortable coming out or something like that, I would not have laughed and would have discussed the theory with you with an open mind. You didn't say that. You said BPAs can make people gay and couldn't show me anything to back you up.

You didn't hurt or offend me. The comment irked me because it seems to belittle what being bi or gay is. You make it sound like a choice. People do not choose their sexuality. That is ALL I was trying to say to begin with and I really am over trying to clarify this.

Can we just agree to disagree?

[MaidenMinx]

Oh I would also like to point out that not all male to female transvestites are attracted to men by the way, so your transvestite argument is moot.

[nerdy_guy]

Actually, there is something in the article that says that it affects a person mentally. When you get mood swings during your period, its common for people to say "its the hormones talking" right? I believe things like that don't just pop up without a basis. Yes, I did say BPA "can" ... for me, it is possibility, not something as an absolute cause. No, I'm not the type to belittle the gay community. I have gay friends and I don't think any less of them.

Oh I would also like to point out that not all male to female transvestites are attracted to men by the way, so your transvestite argument is moot.

True, but just like you said, its not all. There are also females who don't get attracted all the much to males either and vice versa. My point is that I don't lump everyone into one category. Maybe you're naturally bi, but that does not mean everyone else is as well.

[MaidenMinx]

I can understand hormones affecting mood and ones physiology. That I would never question.
Hormones affecting who one is attracted to or willing to have a physical relationship with... Well that seems not so plausible to me. Present me with evidence and I will change my tune. I believe in things that can not be proven and am a big believer that science hasn't caught up with all the possibilities yet (example a couple of hundred years ago germs didn't exist according to popular opinion). There may be something to your theory, only time will tell.

Glad to hear that you weren't meaning to seem demeaning to gay or bi people.