Homosexual and Lesbian relations.

[Lipp]

I don't mind it, I only have a problem with those who act it out strongly in that image, just as I doubt that I'd like wannabe vampire people, britney barbie-dolls and shite.

Undecided when it comes to kids - can sort of feel sorry for kids if they have to take alot of crap or have a strange upbringing from having such parents, but then again much of that might be fixed if people would be more open about it - then again they might consider themselves to be wrong if they are hetero, or at least have a sense of being different. Just not sure.

[Gribble]

If a person does not agree with homosexuality I absolutely support that person's right not to engage in a homosexual relationship. I do not, however, defend that person's right to prevent or inhibit someone else from participating in such a union. I believe it is a larger issue, though. I am adamantly against legislation grounded in opinion, emotions or religious bigotry.

Where there is no victim there is no crime.

As for this reproduction business I have one thing to say: second to war, the last thing this world needs is more children.

[Lipp]

As for this reproduction business I have one thing to say: second to war, the last thing this world needs is more children in developing parts of the world.

Fixed..............

[Yggdrasil]

As for this reproduction business I have one thing to say: second to war, the last thing this world needs is more children.

Well.. that's easily solved. Let's have a nice world wide war and then we can focus on the reproduction business again. It's good for the economy to btw.. war that is.

[Junket]

If China and India went to war we'd be A-OK!

[LadieNisha4u2nv]

I have no problem with gays. I personally hate when they act girly or manly, but I accept them anyway. Jay Manuel and Ms. Jay from America's next top model are my fav. gays though lol.

I love most gays. Most of them are straight the **** up and tell you like it is.

I also see nothing wrong with a gay couple wanting a child. You shouldn't be obligated to be straight to have kids.

[doppelgaenger]

I don't like lipstick lesbos or trendy snossage waxers. It's apparently 'in' to be gay these days. I didn't know there was so much room in a closet...

[Junket]

I don't like lipstick lesbos or trendy snossage waxers. It's apparently 'in' to be gay these days. I didn't know there was so much room in a closet...

Apparently there's not since they're all coming out.

[Doc Durian]

Although I am very much in favor of homosexual rights, I think Doc has a point about reproductive science being used to create new babies.*

But Doc - how do you feel about homosexuals adopting children that would otherwise have no home? (assuming, of course, they passed whatever emotional stability test that heterosexuals have to pass...)



*To be fair, it should be noted that I am generally not a fan of science intervening in this way for heteros, either.

I'm divided about adoption anyway. Adoption is the result of promiscuous, and/or bad economic, choices. It's the result of people having sex who shouldn't have.

In the course of "caring", society has only conditioned itself to find it totally acceptable to fock then abort or adopt out without accountability or shame. It's here where offspring first became a commodity in our modern existance.

Narcissistic pop stars furthered this sentiment and made it desirable amongst the glamour queen/feminist/don't want to ruin my body set.

Homosexuals viewed it as another slice of the pie they've been "denied" (they'll mostly tell you, and wrongly at that, "biologically denied").

Again, I'm divided about adoption.

I think that in the interests of the child, they should have never been conceived and it's as much the couples fault as it's societys mark of shame.

I think that adoption, when unavoidable, should go to a legally married couple who pass the appropriate tests and can demonstrate that at least one of the couple is legally sterile. I view IVF the same way.

I believe that homosexual couples who can pass the aforementioned tests should be considered in the running to adopt, but on a points system which awards higher points for a more biologically representative couple (male and female). For even if one of the same sex couple is biologically sterile, it doesn't change the fact that neither could have conceived a child together anyway. Given that they still retain the ability to create offspring and it's no different than both being fertile but unwilling, I'd almost want both in the couple to be legally sterile before giving them the same point system standing as a heterosexual couple with one sterile partner in it.

Although I do concede that there are any number of children out there who need a home desperately, and there's not enough couples out there willing to take them on. To this, I'd be comfortable with a time limit in which children who are still yet to be adopted after many years can be fast tracked to homes who meet the minimum requirements but don't score as high on the points system. That would include homosexual and lesbian couples with one or more sterile partners within them.


Ideally, we'd not have adoption and abortion clinics to begin with. We'd also not have minority groups using adoption services as a means to push their agendas or psychological issues onto the world as credible.

[LadieNisha4u2nv]

Thats small minded of you Doc. Not everyone who gets adopted comes from people who ****ed and gave up their kids you know. Some kids' parents die and they have nowhere to go but a foster home.

[Doc Durian]

You have no authority over me to 'permit' me to do something or not. It was stated earlier in one of your posts... I noticed and merely responded.

I don't have the power to stop you from leading a conversation into the realms of the silly? Well, I just did it.

Properly? Who or what is the authority on the 'proper' way of having children?

Didn't you have the "talk" when you were young? First, a man with an erect penis inserts it into a womens vagina, then.. (stop me if you've heard some of this before)

I suppose "shopping" for children isn't much better than the 'unwanted' children who are conceived and born to impoverished parents, teenagers, and abusive relationships.

Equally as bad, and one feeds off the other.

Spirituality is a vague term that is intangible and poorly defined, and really doesn't apply here... unless you're pulling from religious concepts. In that case, it becomes more of a religious debate regarding moral concepts, beliefs, and eventually an endless battle of emotions.

So you know about the penis and vagina story, but you've not heard about the committed male/female lifelong contract to raise a child or children as mother and father story? (You'd not be the first these days.)

And you take things one step at a time... I realize I'm not to first to notice --- I'm not that young. Though I do respect the older generations with a bit of respect and limited assumptions they have acquired more knowledge than me.

sweet.

Then what of biological entities, if you want to go down this route, who refuse to procreate in order to produce offspring yet demand to have children delivered to them?

Humans wouldn't be the first animals to make use of slavery.

You want to be an animal now? That's fine... Animals who don't grind their penis and vaginas together don't get to reproduce. Case closed.

We are still animals, however it is our more advanced brains and intellect that has changed how we are. The fact we are able to think and reason prevents us from reverting to more primitive instincts, but it doesn't prevent us from essentially being an animal. Humans aren't 'a few steps up from complete animals' we are still animals. We're still driven by our evolutionary advantage and our success has made us quite bored in more advanced cultures.

So bored that same sex couples can obstinately make silly illogical demands?

I wasn't interested in divulging, only demonstrating that you have too insufficient of information to draw any reasonable conclusions.

Exactly. Too insufficient of information to draw any reasonable conclusion pro you, or pro your parents.

All you've produced are opinions... just like everyone else. This topic is full of emotion and not much else.

Do you need to hear the penis and vagina story in full? We could throw in a bit of stork and handbasket for stage props.

[Doc Durian]

Thats small minded of you Doc. Not everyone who gets adopted comes from people who ****ed and gave up their kids you know. Some kids' parents die and they have nowhere to go but a foster home.

Next time, instead of letting your argumentative predisposition towards pro-gay and lesbian adoption rights get the first dig in, might you try asking me what I thought of the scenario you later named.

Then you could label me either big or small minded on that topic.

Dependent on my answer and not on your preconceived disdain.

Try it out, it works quite well. I'm even told it's a basic building block in discussion and debate.

[Gribble]

Parents by and large are shit. If we're going to start creating criteria for this we need to look at heterosexual couples before we even begin on the homosexuals.

A child is lucky if he has two parents who love him and who can provide him a stable, safe environment to live in. Many hetero couples fail at this. If two members of the same sex are capable of providing this I say great.

[LadieNisha4u2nv]

Adoption is the result of promiscuous, and/or bad economic, choices. It's the result of people having sex who shouldn't have.

Did you read your definition of adoptions? That is where my response comes in. No one's arguing here, just pointing out the other possibilities of why someone gets adopted other than careless people just ****ing around or stars craving attention.

[Doc Durian]

Parents by and large are shit. If we're going to start creating criteria for this we need to look at heterosexual couples before we even begin on the homosexuals.

In the case of adoptions, all prospective guardians should be screened, I agree.

A child is lucky if he has two parents who love him and who can provide him a stable, safe environment to live in. Many hetero couples fail at this. If two members of the same sex are capable of providing this I say great.

I'm fine with that assuming that they're sterile and pass the screening process same as IVF.