Philosophy: Existence of God

[Mish]

I do not refer to everyone who doesn't agree with me as a 16 yr old. You just happened to demonstrate the intellectual capacity of a 16 yr old to me.

I am not going to repeat myself to you because clearly there is not point.

Everything I said about Big Bang is already said by the Big Bang scientists themselves, argue with them for as much as you want.

However, I can say the same thing about your continutation of showering with insults someone who you clearly do not understand, nor attempt to understand. You exhibit just as juvenile behaviour as me, even though my behaviour is purposefully and intentionally spitefull, while yours is just naturaly and teenage like arrogant

[Only-virgins]

Who created God??? If there is a God then obviously God can not be created

OK, thats thats the last straw, you call me stupid for stating that all mater awlays existed and I DID give scientific support and evidence, once again go look up quantum physics and laws of thermal dynamics...Then you state that if god exists he doesnt need a creator? and you not stupid?! With your blindness to my premises for my conlusion for exmaple, here take this to prove your hypocricy

OV says : "If the universe exists then it doesnt need a creation or creator"
Mish says : "IF there is a god then there need not be a creator of him"

Whats the fawking difference except for maybe switching the words god and universe you hypocrite?!

[Only-virgins]

I want a clear and honest response to this question: Darwin never explained at any point in his 'theory' about how life began in the first place, he 'presumed' that it was inanimate matter coming together by coincidence. Now, let's do the maths, for all the atoms, amino acids and the rest of the biological matter to come together to form the simplest of living orgainisms is a chance of 1 out of 10 to the power of 950, again please do not take this as a joke, i'm being totally serious and honest. That is 1 out of 10 with 950 zeros behind it, in maths anything less than 1 out 10 to power of 50 is considered impossible.
Furthermore, that is only the simplest of beings, such as early forms of cells, whose structure is more complex than anything mankind has built. This is definitely NOT coincidence, and the universe also came out as the work of a Supreme Being, notice I deliberately omit the word 'God'. Lood up 'Harun Yahya' on Google, he is an author that has devoted almost his life to this issue, and came up with the conclusion that Darwin's theory is indeed fraudulent and Creationism was the correct explanation.

You make chances for life seem so extreme. I forget to clean my pool for a month and look at the bottom! life!. Actually, its pretty clear that anywere that water and life supporting enviornments exist...life is soon to follow. Biologist when they look for life on other planets look for water first. Not only is life lucky to be here though, it will(no doubt) one day be equally unlucky to become extinct on this planet. The impressiveness of life is no evidence for god or supreme being. Just because you think life is special doesn't mean some god had to create it.

[Mish]

OK, thats thats the last straw, you call me stupid for stating that all mater awlays existed and I DID give scientific support and evidence, once again go look up quantum physics and laws of thermal dynamics...Then you state that if god exists he doesnt need a creator? and you not stupid?! With your blindness to my premises for my conlusion for exmaple, here take this to prove your hypocricy

OV says : "If the universe exists then it doesnt need a creation or creator"
Humans says : "IF there is a god then there need not be a creator of him"

Whats the fawking difference except for maybe switching the words god and universe you hypocrite?!

OV, I just switched words for you for better understanding.

It wasn't me who said that God does not need a creator it is the definition of what God is. Here is some information for you [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God[/url]

The reason I called you stupid is because you are trying to disguise a "theory" as a fact even though our Modern science says "It doesn't know" You seem to have an impression that you have all the answers. However, I do not recall you winning any awards for any one of your theories.

I'm not trying to disprove you, I'm just saying that we (Including Big Bang Theorists) don't have enough information to say that it is so and it's not a fact, but a belief in a theory.

In regards to being hypocritical, I assume it is not aimed at me but at all humans who bear that definition of God

[Only-virgins]

Oh give me a break. I know what you are trying to say. That the theory of science and what I say is a theory just like the theory of god. Unfortunatly you are a fool if you believe that there is no difference in theories, some are just alot more credible like for example. The theory of the big bang and ninja turtles in my sewers. Both are theories.

[Mish]

Oh give me a break. I know what you are trying to say. That the theory of science and what I say is a theory just like the theory of god. Unfortunatly you are a fool if you believe that there is no difference in theories, some are just alot more credible like for example. The theory of the big bang and ninja turtles in my sewers. Both are theories.

I never said there is no difference in theories. All I said that both of them are theories.

And exactly, what makes you think that not knowing where everything came from is more credible than thinking that everything was created by God? Except for the only difference being that you refuse to have a force that you do not understand as your creator?

OV, just to open up your mind a little and see things from a different perspective, have a look here

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity[/url]

[NeoSeminole]

richardrli says:

"I want a clear and honest response to this question: Darwin never explained at any point in his 'theory' about how life began in the first place, he 'presumed' that it was inanimate matter coming together by coincidence. Now, let's do the maths, for all the atoms, amino acids and the rest of the biological matter to come together to form the simplest of living orgainisms is a chance of 1 out of 10 to the power of 950, again please do not take this as a joke, i'm being totally serious and honest. That is 1 out of 10 with 950 zeros behind it, in maths anything less than 1 out 10 to power of 50 is considered impossible."

Please show me a credible source (not some religious site). In the mean time, I hope this answers your question. [URL=http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010.html]Google is Your Friend[/URL]

"Furthermore, that is only the simplest of beings, such as early forms of cells, whose structure is more complex than anything mankind has built. This is definitely NOT coincidence, and the universe also came out as the work of a Supreme Being, notice I deliberately omit the word 'God'. Lood up 'Harun Yahya' on Google, he is an author that has devoted almost his life to this issue, and came up with the conclusion that Darwin's theory is indeed fraudulent and Creationism was the correct explanation."

How convenient! You omit the word "god" but still mention a supreme being. I wonder who else it could be? You're right about one thing: life is not just a big coincidence. Everything that happens in the universe is governed by physical and chemical laws. Without these laws, there would be chaos. Ever wonder why people don't spontaneously turn into chairs? I have done extensive research on Harun Yahya in the past. He is a joke. Most of his material are recycled versions of old creationism propaganda, which have been refuted. He purposely misquotes scientists and misinterprets evolution to prey on the gullible. Don't believe the hype.

[richardrli]

Why do you think Harun Yahya is a joke? He has done exhaustive and extensive research on this very controversial subject and time and time again refuted evolution. Is it really so hard for you to accept a supreme being was involved in the creation of the universe? I don't think the hundreds of millions of people in this world believe in God for nothing.

[Mish]

I obviously don't think that Neo knows the meaning of words like "backup material" to support one's view or line of thought. I don't think he believes in such childish concepts as facts, reference material or sources. It is ofcourse very 16 year old like to disagree or argue with any of Neo's views or way of thinking with sources or backup material of your own for it is Neo and Neo alone who poses such irrefutable knowledge to all other humans.

However, I did find the one in a million chance to see a link to a site from Neo above interesting

[Cybog]

I will give you all 1 warning before this thread is locked or deleted.

Keep this thread civil.

The original question was to ask for your input, NOT to slam each other in an attempt to prove each other wrong or talk about who is smarter or has more knowledge on the subject at hand.

Religion is a debate that NONE of you are going to win. You aren't going to prove or disprove anything, and you will not change anyone's opinions about it. Once they have posted their ideas, you should immediately realize that no matter how much "righter" you think you are about religion, you aren't going to change anyone else's belief.

Share your thoughts, then STFU. Do not engage in a battle of "Whose beliefs are true and who is full of shit". There is no room for this here.

Any thread in this topic from this point on attempting to "prove someone" right or wrong will be deleted, and may find their previous 5-60 posts deleted as well.

[RSK]

I will give you all 1 warning before this thread is locked or deleted.

Keep this thread civil.

The original question was to ask for your input, NOT to slam each other in an attempt to prove each other wrong or talk about who is smarter or has more knowledge on the subject at hand.

Religion is a debate that NONE of you are going to win. You aren't going to prove or disprove anything, and you will not change anyone's opinions about it. Once they have posted their ideas, you should immediately realize that no matter how much "righter" you think you are about religion, you aren't going to change anyone else's belief.

Share your thoughts, then STFU. Do not engage in a battle of "Whose beliefs are true and who is full of shit". There is no room for this here.

Any thread in this topic from this point on attempting to "prove someone" right or wrong will be deleted, and may find their previous 5-60 posts deleted as well.

i sense a little frustration, maybe even a little anger...

[PKsEvolution]

i sense a little frustration, maybe even a little anger...

aye - he's right though lol

It'd be well funny just to leave the posts there though, see everyone flaming the hell out of each other.

[alice]

Share your thoughts, then STFU. Do not engage in a battle of "Whose beliefs are true and who is full of shit". There is no room for this here.

Any thread in this topic from this point on attempting to "prove someone" right or wrong will be deleted, and may find their previous 5-60 posts deleted as well.

what's the point of a discussion if i'm not allowed to try to convince anyone of anything?

if you're serious about this, you'll have to change "off topic discussion" into "off topic statements".
and add a sticky: "one post each"

[PKsEvolution]

what's the point of a discussion if i'm not allowed to try to convince anyone of anything?

if you're serious about this, you'll have to change "off topic discussion" into "off topic statements".
and add a sticky: "one post each"

I think this thread should just be left open, please don't delete anything noone wants deleted, it wont really matter in the end, but I'm sure we'd at least like to be able to read what everyone has to say.

[alice]

hey PKsEvolution, who the fvck is alex?