Homosexual and Lesbian relations.

[Mish]

I think that in the interests of the child, they should have never been conceived and it's as much the couples fault as it's societys mark of shame.

So what is you proposed alternative to this mark of shame?

[Doc Durian]

Did you read your definition of adoptions? That is where my response comes in. No one's arguing here, just pointing out the other possibilities of why someone gets adopted other than careless people just ****ing around or stars craving attention.

What you've pointed out is not all that common outside of war torn genocide stomping grounds. You have the very odd case of a child losing both parents who've not had any relatives of their own to carry on raising the child/children, but overall, it's not a big percentage.

I suppose if we wanted to, we could go over the list of oddball adoption scenarios and we could discuss what if's, or keep the discussion on track and centred around what is the clear majority.

[ecojeanne]

Adoption is the result of promiscuous, and/or bad economic, choices. It's the result of people having sex who shouldn't have.

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what about women who have been raped? that may not be at all down to economics, result of a violation...not unusual occurence since the beginning of humanity

[LadieNisha4u2nv]

Lol whatever helps you to sleep at night.

[LadieNisha4u2nv]

Dont bother Eco, it's not a major percentage so it doesnt matter.

[Doc Durian]

So what is you proposed alternative to this mark of shame?

Institutions being forced to retract their mock care bear fingers from any of the various pies.

Adoption, welfare, health care, etc... all further the behaviours they're supposed to be combating.

They become support networks as people take the path of least resistance and most ease.

That's the basic gist of what I propose.

Make people accountable for their actions.

Cause and effect.

Society will once again come around and keep balance and order on it's own.

[Mish]

Institutions being forced to retract their mock care bear fingers from any of the various pies.

Adoption, welfare, health care, etc... all further the behaviours they're supposed to be combating.

So you propose to roll back the institutions such as the ones offering adoption services? And where will the unwanted kids without a home go?

[Doc Durian]

what about women who have been raped? that may not be at all down to economics, result of a violation...not unusual occurence since the beginning of humanity

While more common than two orphaned parents killed simultaneously in a motor vehicle crash, it's still not part of the clear majority of adoption backgrounds.

Regardless, yours and LadieNishas scenarios would have to be addressed in a major rewrite of adoption procedure. I trust we'd all want to find the fairest and sincerest manner in which to do so.

[Doc Durian]

So you propose to roll back the institutions such as the ones offering adoption services? And where will the unwanted kids without a home go?

You do it in stages, just as adoption services grew in stages to the point of becoming such a monstrosity. Along the way, you scale back and make it increasingly more difficult for bad choices to be state and/or culturally supported.

It's about free will and cause and effect.

[Junket]

Do you think we could make Doc's head blow up?

[LadieNisha4u2nv]

So you propose to roll back the institutions such as the ones offering adoption services? And where will the unwanted kids without a home go?

On deathrow....They dont deserve their lives because of two irresponsible parents although there are people out there that are unable to make kids in the first place.

Let them die!

[doppelgaenger]

Y'all sound like a bunch of sexologist wannabes.

[LadieNisha4u2nv]

Do you think we could make Doc's head blow up?

That would be awesome I need some entertainment. St. T is boring and HOT.

[Mish]

You do it in stages, just as adoption services grew in stages to the point of becoming such a monstrosity. Along the way, you scale back and make it increasingly more difficult for bad choices to be state and/or culturally supported.

It's about free will and cause and effect.

How will you make it increasingly more difficult for people to make bad choices? People will still make bad choices. If you take away state or cultural support it will not necessarily have any impact on the actual choice. But it will definetly have an impact on availability of places that support unwanted children. So once again, if you scale back the adoption services, where will the unwanted kids go? What is your solution to the actual problem which is the care for unwanted children?

[Doc Durian]

On deathrow....They dont deserve their lives because of two irresponsible parents although there are people out there that are unable to make kids in the first place.

Let them die!

I find it no small irony that the institution of death row grew alongside the explosion of social services, which leads to the question - What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I don't propose an overnight revolution nor expect one to work in this scenario. It would take determination and measured fair steps to claw us back from the abyss.

We've been conditioned to look toward the State for the teet.

It's a tough but necessary road for us to reassume our self determination and values.