Religion

[indigosoul]

Awww

Well, you know I take things at face value, so thank you

You are very welcome.
:namaste:

[Mish]

Leaders do not do what you are doing...

You mean leaders like Bush?

[Mish]

Of course i do, RK. But I just felt that Mish needed to hear it more.

I wonder if Mish would feel differently if I were some scientist with a big-name degree from some big-name school...? He SHOULDN'T, but I wonder if he would??

I also wonder if ppl realize what level of maturity it requires to recognize the value in working certain things out for oneself if suitably primed. That some answers come best from ones own thoughts and observations, not someone elses....

Indi, trust me if you were some big scientist who believes in Big Bang Theory with a big degree (Of which there are many), I would attack her in the same ways as I attacked you until the paradox of the theory finally started to make sense.

By the way, my anti-theory of Big Bang Theory is all my own thinking. Nobody had to come up and tell me that it is not possible for everything to come out of nothing, I figured it out all by myself (No congratulations are needed here, thanks )

Maybe I should write a book lol

[indigosoul]

Woman, you're like a child.

What theory? Your theory that energy is NOTHING, that it existed before Big Bang has happened and that this energy created the big bang.

My ego requires understanding for your theory. If you can't prove it then sure your admision of loss will suffice

Actually, Mish, I just figured out what you are on about.

I NEVER said this was a "theory" (as defined by the scientific method). I said "consider the possibility". Go look up my original post. This was meant as a thought experiment. You got all worked up over a thought experiment!!! How can you come up w/ANY new ideas if you can't do this? I truly hope you AREN'T a scientist, b/c this attitude WON'T help you being creative about new grant ideas.

[indigosoul]

Indi, trust me if you were some big scientist who believes in Big Bang Theory with a big degree (Of which there are many), I would attack her in the same ways as I attacked you until the paradox of the theory finally started to make sense.

By the way, my anti-theory of Big Bang Theory is all my own thinking. Nobody had to come up and tell me that it is not possible for everything to come out of nothing, I figured it out all by myself (No congratulations are needed here, thanks )

Maybe I should write a book lol

OK, that's good to hear. Now I REALLY like the way you think, if not your conclusions. Peace.

[indigosoul]

And here's one last thought for those so inclined:

PROVE you are alive. If space aliens came to earth and you had to, how could you? COULD you?!

or, for the simplistic who would just suicide;

PROVE you think.

Later, Gang!

[Mish]

I NEVER said this was a "theory" (as defined by the scientific method). I said "consider the possibility". Go look up my original post. This was meant as a thought experiment. You got all worked up over a thought experiment!!! How can you come up w/ANY new ideas if you can't do this? I truly hope you AREN'T a scientist, b/c this attitude WON'T help you being creative about new grant ideas.

No, I'm not a scientist. I'm an argumantalist

I actually work In IT where everything needs to make sense, as I understand it is that which must be provided to us by modern science. Pure 100% sense without any doubt, otherwise if there are huge rooms for doubt in science then scienece in itself starts to turn into a Religion.

[Mish]

And here's one last thought for those so inclined:

PROVE you are alive. If space aliens came to earth and you had to, how could you? COULD you?!

or, for the simplistic who would just suicide;

PROVE you think.

Later, Gang!

Proof for being alive, I think and therefore I am (If I'm not alive I can not think)

Proof for thinking, The basic mechanics of the human mind reflect a process of pattern matching, thus if i can select two same objects from a pile of random objects (each having a mirrored pair), i prove that I can think on a basic level.

[indigosoul]

if there are huge rooms for doubt in science then scienece in itself starts to turn into a Religion.

Well, there are huge areas of doubt in science. Always has been. Experimental science usually generates as many questions as it does answers. Does this make science a religion?

[Mish]

Does this make science a religion?

Only the parts that require faith to believe

[indigosoul]

Only the parts that require faith to believe

Mish, I would love to discuss this more with you, but unfortunately, the powers that be around here have dictated that it is not of enough general interest and doesn't relate to the topic of love and relationships. Sorry. I guess you'd better not insult me by calling me "child" anymore, either, as this constitues "flaming"

"If I offend a few "Old Timers" by deleting out some of their bullshit dribble that absolutely no contributing value, then so be it. If Loveadmin didn't want a clean smooth ship, then he would have removed me from moderator status a long time ago.

My goal isn't to be a Forum Nazi or bend the rules around so that it suits me. If I had a problem with YOUR posts or YOUR threads I would have sent YOU a P.M. and discussed the problem with YOU and only you.

Religion is a topic that CANNOT be discussed on a forum in an intelligent manner. SOMEONE will eventually get pissed and start flaming the other for being "stupid" because they said something that the other disagrees with.

I will not "apologize" because the forum hasn't bent to YOUR liking. You can either abide by the forum rules (As outlined in every single front page of the forums) or you can expect yourself to receive a simple reminder in your threads like I did."

Apologies, Bluevette for derailing your thread. I think you'll find I did make a strong point on this a few posts back.

[Mish]

I guess you'd better not insult me by calling me "child" anymore, either, as this constitues "flaming"

You find being called a child insulting? I love being called a child or called anything else to do with being youthful and free spirited

I don't think we really kidnapped the thread. I think our discussion actually made it more apparent that Open mindedness is required when dealing with issues of faith be it Religious faith or Scientific faith. As far as faith relationships go, I think it's all about how far you are willing to accept the faith of your partner and how far they are willing to accept yours. If you are both "Open minded" religious and ready to accept the faith and principles of your partner and compromise on certain issues (I.e. accept that a human being simply does not know enough to reject an aspect of a faith provided that aspect doesn't break the law), then there really should not be any problems with the relationship. However if either you or your partner fail to compromise or accept important aspects of each other's faith then the relationship is doomed from the beginning.

[shh!]

the powers that be around here have dictated that it is not of enough general interest and doesn't relate to the topic of love and relationships.

Isn't this thread in the off-topic section now? And it seems to be sparking quite a bit of interest, based on the number of pages it is. Besides, it seems like this thread definitely illustrates the importance of like-mindedness with regards to religious ideology, whether you are a believer or not. Can you imagine this kind of debate going on with the person you are sleeping with?

[Mish]

Can you imagine this kind of debate going on with the person you are sleeping with?

Hehe, which debate? The one between hugo and Indi or the one between Indi and I?

Cause our debate had a happy ending, as in we understood and respected each other

[misombra]

i don't care about any of the religions. they're all about the same thing anyway. the only thing that bothers me are the people that think their way of believing is the only one, or is the only right one. i would date somebody from whatever religious background they were from and i would respect theirs and if they loved me they'd respect mine as well. we're not that much different from each other people. hasn't the genome project demonstrated that? we're all from the same place, the same "creator", and we're all trying to figure out why we're here, how we're here, etc.